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[phoenix]

The problem we have is obviously getting along harmoniously as 2 separate communities. Lets be honest, our history dictates that we will have these problems as long as we are in existence.

I agree. The problems started when Turks invaded Cyprus in 1571 and they never ended. The Turks like the Israelis do with the Palestinians occupy our island and violate our human rights. The problem will be solved when the Turks leave from our island and allow us to live free in our country!

Sotos, you know that's not gonna happen so how about some sensible input from you. TCs are here now and will be in the future, they are real and should be treated as such. It is the likes of you that are the root of the problem, not 1571. These dates are now insignificant. Get over it will you.

As Sotos said Turks invaded 1571 and that never ended . . . and then we had a re-invasion in 1974 and that date is not INSIGNIFICANT . . . and we will not GET OVER IT until turkey leaves Cyprus alone!

And going back in time is going to achieve what? If that's the way you feel Phoenix then go and find somebody from the Ottoman Empire take this matter up with them.

How on earth can we go forward if we keep going back and back in time. You guys have to come to terms and learn to let go. Your obsession with the Ottomans is at such unhealthy extremes its unbelievable.

Oooohhh really! It was the Ottomans that invaded in 1974 was it MR-from-NG

I suppose you are just agreeing with me when I say a Turk by any other name is still just a Turk be it 1571 or 1974

[MR-from-NG]

Before you said "Lets be honest, our history dictates that we will have these problems as long as we are in existence. " and now you say "The only sensible course of action is to sit like civilised people at the negotiation table and come to a just and meaningful solution." Are you playing games? My country is occupied because YOU want to occupy it. The action is Turkish invasions in 1571 and 1974 and the result is what we have today. If the Turks did not invade our island we would be free today. You are our problem. I don't mind if you stay in Cyprus but you have no right to occupy our island!!

If Denktas had done to me what your leaders did to you with their stupid desire for ENOSIS I would spit in their face, their grave their pictures hanging on walls. Stop blaming others for what your own people are responsible for.

[MR-from-NG]

You guys have to come to terms and learn to let go.

You want me to let go of the land you stole from me? Why you don't let go of Cyprus and go back to Turkey and let us free in our island?

Sotos beginning to sound like the village idiot again. End of discussion Sotos.

[Sotos]

Before you said "Lets be honest, our history dictates that we will have these problems as long as we are in existence. " and now you say "The only sensible course of action is to sit like civilised people at the negotiation table and come to a just and meaningful solution." Are you playing games? My country is occupied because YOU want to occupy it. The action is Turkish invasions in 1571 and 1974 and the result is what we have today. If the Turks did not invade our island we would be free today. You are our problem. I don't mind if you stay in Cyprus but you have no right to occupy our island!!

If Denktas had done to me what your leaders did to you with their stupid desire for ENOSIS I would spit in their face, their grave their pictures hanging on walls. Stop blaming others for what your own people are responsible for.

You Turks invaded us and we are responsible because we want to be free?

[MR-from-NG]

The problem we have is obviously getting along harmoniously as 2 separate communities. Lets be honest, our history dictates that we will have these problems as long as we are in existence.

I agree. The problems started when Turks invaded Cyprus in 1571 and they never ended. The Turks like the Israelis do with the Palestinians occupy our island and violate our human rights. The problem will be solved when the Turks leave from our island and allow us to live free in our country!

Sotos, you know that's not gonna happen so how about some sensible input from you. TCs are here now and will be in the future, they are real and should be treated as such. It is the likes of you that are the root of the problem, not 1571. These dates are now insignificant. Get over it will you.

As Sotos said Turks invaded 1571 and that never ended . . . and then we had a re-invasion in 1974 and that date is not INSIGNIFICANT . . . and we will not GET OVER IT until turkey leaves Cyprus alone!

And going back in time is going to achieve what? If that's the way you feel Phoenix then go and find somebody from the Ottoman Empire take this matter up with them.

How on earth can we go forward if we keep going back and back in time. You guys have to come to terms and learn to let go. Your obsession with the Ottomans is at such unhealthy extremes its unbelievable.

Oooohhh really! It was the Ottomans that invaded in 1974 was it MR-from-NG

I suppose you are just agreeing with me when I say a Turk by any other name is still just a Turk be it 1571 or 1974

1571 I have nothing to say for a period where it was the survival of the fittest.
As for 1974, well kid, You made your bed now lie in it.

[MR-from-NG]

Why I am the problem? I want to live free in my island but you Turks occupy it! The problem is that you came to our island and did so many crimes against us and now you want to take our land! If you can not live together with Cypriots then go back to Turkey.

Sotos, I'm not from Turkey. I'm a Cypriot Turk. I have no relatives or friends in Turkey. I would have serious problems integrating with mainland Turks.

Genetically I have more in common with you than I have with Turks. So how can you ask me to go back to somewhwre that I have no desire to.

Your land has been occupied as a result of the actions of some of your own people, so you are a victim like me. The only sensible course of action is to sit like civilised people at the negotiation table and come to a just and meaningful solution. Its not going to happen by you swearing at me or telling me to go back to a place that I don't belong to.

I endorse the above post by MRfromNG without any reservations.
There is , as he says , no other feasible solution but to sit down as civilized people and negotiate.
May I also add that I do not see any signs from the ROC goverment endorsing its stated position that Cyprus is an independant nation and repressentative of all Cypriots. No efforts to substantiate this position are in progress , lets start by abandoning the Greek national anthem for a start.

I would happily give up all my possessions. I would chop my right arm off to replace all the Sotos, Kifeas and Piratis with people like my dear friend Miltiades.

What a bloody shame there aren't many more of you Miltiades.

[Pyrpolizer]

Mrfromng,

So if there is no problem on individual basis between the Gcs+TCs, then how on individual basis the Gcs consider you sub-humans? I think there is a basic contradiction in what you said, to start with.

Lets start from the things we agree: That on individual basis there are no problems between GCs&TCs as long as they are all law abiding citizens. Now take all those GC people and all those TC people who have absolutely no problem with each other, join them together and call them GC and Tc community respectively. It is true over some periods of our history those 2 communities had problems.
The question is:WHAT WAS ALWAYS THE ROOT OF THOSE PROBLEMS?

[Sotos]

You invaded us in 1571 and you ruled us. Then the British invaded us. Then we just wanted to rule our own island but you invaded us again.

[Sotos]

The question is:WHAT WAS ALWAYS THE ROOT OF THOSE PROBLEMS?

The root is the invasion of Turks in 1571 and that they still do not want to allow Cypriots to rule their island by themselves. They think Cyprus is still part of their empire

[Pyrpolizer]

Why I am the problem? I want to live free in my island but you Turks occupy it! The problem is that you came to our island and did so many crimes against us and now you want to take our land! If you can not live together with Cypriots then go back to Turkey.

Sotos, I'm not from Turkey. I'm a Cypriot Turk. I have no relatives or friends in Turkey. I would have serious problems integrating with mainland Turks.

Genetically I have more in common with you than I have with Turks. So how can you ask me to go back to somewhwre that I have no desire to.

Your land has been occupied as a result of the actions of some of your own people, so you are a victim like me. The only sensible course of action is to sit like civilised people at the negotiation table and come to a just and meaningful solution. Its not going to happen by you swearing at me or telling me to go back to a place that I don't belong to.

Very well said Mrfromng