Kikapu wrote:zan wrote:Kikapu wrote:zan wrote:
If they did not know what was in the Annan Plan then how would they know it would have been all good for them Kiks??? You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel....(Nautical term for you). Yes they were excited about being in the EU and that was about that. They really thought that unification and the return to normal was going to happen so you not knowing anything about it and slandering the TC people is an absolute shame on you
Once again you are trying to divert attention by bringing Makarios into the picture. How did I defend him by the way.??
I already answered your question on my previous post as to "who knew what and when". There's no shame in that the TC's said "Yes", because they were told it was good for them, which it was, so they were not lied to by their leaders, and the same for the GC's, that they were told it was bad for them, and it was, so no one lied there either. Rather than blaming the TC's or the GC's, which I'm not doing neither, unlike most of you on this forum, but I rather blame a bad peace plan that was too complicated and too unworkable. It was welcome to 1960 Constitution, all over again.
Then you will join me in condemning TPap for his part, or lack of, in negotiating for a solution...........I wonder what he was up to at the time....He was not out in one of your boats was he????
It took years to put that plan together Kiks........What the hell do you think he did not negotiate properly for???????Come on for gods sake........Is that how you fish as well? You put no bait on the line but expect the fish to come and take the hook and signal when they are on firmly????
I think there was a Makarios thread that you made a few contributions to
Zan,
In general, I'm never too fond of any leader of any Nation, unless they do the peoples work and not just their own ego. The fact that it took years to put the AP together, should tell you something in trying to hide little details here and there. As Nikitas said, 9,000 pages of blah, blah, blah, and all this was dropped at peoples lap few days before the referendum to make an Intelligent assessment about their future, specially when there are 40,000 troops on one side and you don't know what the hell you are agreeing to. I'm sure PapaD more than likely walked into the AP before the final draft, but was he allowed to change anything that he did not like. According to Nikitas, the TC's and the Turks refuse to change anything towards the end, and unless someone can say Nikitas is lying, I'm willing to take his word for it.
No Zan, PapaD was not on my boat....... not unless he was wearing a Red Dress.
How about some blame for the EU. Why on earth they waited for the last minute to have a referendum and entry into the EU at the same time. The RoC was already guaranteed entry, so it gave them the advantage of not having to take a risk on the AP, not knowing all the details. I still believe it was a deliberate act on the EU to take in the RoC and hope that the referendum would fail, so that the EU can always use Cyprus as an excuse to keep Turkey out of the EU, or at least in the short term. I wrote about this last year regarding the RoC being the "Trojan Horse" against Turkey's EU entry plans. Guess what, so far it is working. No Cyprus solution, no entry for Turkey. So don't be so sure every time you complain about RoC lying to get into the EU, as if the other EU members had no idea what was going on. Those guys at the EU must be bunch of "dumb asses" I guess, Zan.
What Nikitas said was that after years and years of talks the "RoC" walked into the meeting with changes at the last moment.....Does that sound fair and above board to you or Nikitas...
As for the EU.......The UK wants Turkey and Germany and France do not....Why....Because Turkey is friendly with the UK and will be the largest of all members and that will put France and Germany in their place.....Last time I looked they had pissed the US off as well so you tell me where the biggest power lies...
Asa for the point of the "RoC" lying to get into the EU......The point that the EU is pissed at them should give you some idea...and as I have said before...The plan was to safeguard against war or the threat of it. It has been the "RoC" that has payed the price still....
