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[humanist]

VP

They act as a deterrant without them we wouldnt last 5 minutes, can you not feel the anger and venom festering in many GCs on this forum.

VP this uncalled for and provocative post. None of the GC's on this forum have been as abussive and insulting as eric. So there is no need to point the finger.

Why doesn't talat look at other oprtion for security. Request to UN for more troops to act as safeguard whilst the two leaders are working on settlement.

Perhaps you are one of those TC's who will be the first to throw the first stone.

[humanist]

deniz

I do see its deterrent effect as it stands. But would the GCs dare attack if the island is de-militarised and all civilians(reserves) disarmed, whilst both sides are in the EU?. There are some who would not trust the GCs.

thank you deniz, this is by far the most useful post I have seen on the forum for a long time.

[Viewpoint]

Although I dont agree with miltary parades I am true beleiver that having an heavy army presence in the TRNC has deterred either side form doing anything stupid against one another and has brought about a peaceful exsitence which we did not have prior to 1974.

I can see this turning into a vicious circle. While their is the Turkish military there, on the forum are members (GC) who have promised to fight till they leave. Lets hope its all talk and soon the presence of any military will not be necessay. What chance of that?

They act as a deterrant without them we wouldnt last 5 minutes, can you not feel the anger and venom festering in many GCs on this forum.

I do see its deterrent effect as it stands. But would the GCs dare attack if the island is de-militarised and all civilians(reserves) disarmed, whilst both sides are in the EU?. There are some who would not trust the GCs.

If completely demilitarised then no problem neither side could attack the other and the local police force will b able to take care of any unrest. But asking the Turkish army to leave while the GCs have 20.000 strong army and 100.000 armed reservists is not gonna happen as the situation is still very sensitive and GC like Piratis and Kifeas still display signs of wanting revenge which is very dangerous for everyone.

[Viewpoint]

Although I dont agree with miltary parades I am true beleiver that having an heavy army presence in the TRNC has deterred either side form doing anything stupid against one another and has brought about a peaceful exsitence which we did not have prior to 1974.

so you agree with a heavy GC army presence then as well? Otherwise how would we have a detterant from both sides as you put it.

Correct works both ways..

[Viewpoint]

VP

They act as a deterrant without them we wouldnt last 5 minutes, can you not feel the anger and venom festering in many GCs on this forum.

VP this uncalled for and provocative post. None of the GC's on this forum have been as abussive and insulting as eric. So there is no need to point the finger.

Why doesn't talat look at other oprtion for security. Request to UN for more troops to act as safeguard whilst the two leaders are working on settlement.

Perhaps you are one of those TC's who will be the first to throw the first stone.

Didnt really understand why you felt this was provocation, if you were a TC would you throw yourself into a situation with no Turkish army and the GC national guard of 20.000 plus 100.000 armed reservists in place. Witin 5 minutes of the Turkish army leaving the "RoC" would take miltary action to take control of the whole island.

Who on earth in the right minds trusts the UN for protection or even the EU, we all remember Bosnia, its took them meeting upon meeting to act by which time thousands of innocent people perished, is that what you want for us?

[denizaksulu]

VP

They act as a deterrant without them we wouldnt last 5 minutes, can you not feel the anger and venom festering in many GCs on this forum.

VP this uncalled for and provocative post. None of the GC's on this forum have been as abussive and insulting as eric. So there is no need to point the finger.

Why doesn't talat look at other oprtion for security. Request to UN for more troops to act as safeguard whilst the two leaders are working on settlement.

Perhaps you are one of those TC's who will be the first to throw the first stone.

Humanist; you are aware that Talat cannot ask the UN for a peace keeping role in Cyprus, as the North is not recognised. Only the RoC can do that, and then it will only serve the interests of the RoC. This was the case of the years between 1963 - 1974. Right?

Regards
DA

[DT.]

Although I dont agree with miltary parades I am true beleiver that having an heavy army presence in the TRNC has deterred either side form doing anything stupid against one another and has brought about a peaceful exsitence which we did not have prior to 1974.

I can see this turning into a vicious circle. While their is the Turkish military there, on the forum are members (GC) who have promised to fight till they leave. Lets hope its all talk and soon the presence of any military will not be necessay. What chance of that?

They act as a deterrant without them we wouldnt last 5 minutes, can you not feel the anger and venom festering in many GCs on this forum.

I do see its deterrent effect as it stands. But would the GCs dare attack if the island is de-militarised and all civilians(reserves) disarmed, whilst both sides are in the EU?. There are some who would not trust the GCs.

If completely demilitarised then no problem neither side could attack the other and the local police force will b able to take care of any unrest. But asking the Turkish army to leave while the GCs have 20.000 strong army and 100.000 armed reservists is not gonna happen as the situation is still very sensitive and GC like Piratis and Kifeas still display signs of wanting revenge which is very dangerous for everyone.

completely agree with you here VP but we've made that offer 100's of times from each president we've ever had. We scrap the national guard and outlaw weapons in cyprus and the turkish army withdraws. Turkey refuses though.

[DT.]

Although I dont agree with miltary parades I am true beleiver that having an heavy army presence in the TRNC has deterred either side form doing anything stupid against one another and has brought about a peaceful exsitence which we did not have prior to 1974.

so you agree with a heavy GC army presence then as well? Otherwise how would we have a detterant from both sides as you put it.

Correct works both ways..

so what was the problem with the s300? you have a very formidable airforce...we have no airforce so to act as a detterant to your airforce we needed the best anti-aircraft system money can buy..

[Murataga]

VP

They act as a deterrant without them we wouldnt last 5 minutes, can you not feel the anger and venom festering in many GCs on this forum.

VP this uncalled for and provocative post. None of the GC's on this forum have been as abussive and insulting as eric. So there is no need to point the finger.

You will find that many TCs will disagree with your comment... that is if you have what it takes to listen to them.

Why doesn't talat look at other oprtion for security. Request to UN for more troops to act as safeguard whilst the two leaders are working on settlement.

That has been tried in the pre-74 period. Talk to some TCs over 50 to see how that worked out for us if you are arrogant to the point that you will not listen to TCs on this forum or read a book or two describing those days for us.

[denizaksulu]

Although I dont agree with miltary parades I am true beleiver that having an heavy army presence in the TRNC has deterred either side form doing anything stupid against one another and has brought about a peaceful exsitence which we did not have prior to 1974.

I can see this turning into a vicious circle. While their is the Turkish military there, on the forum are members (GC) who have promised to fight till they leave. Lets hope its all talk and soon the presence of any military will not be necessay. What chance of that?

They act as a deterrant without them we wouldnt last 5 minutes, can you not feel the anger and venom festering in many GCs on this forum.

I do see its deterrent effect as it stands. But would the GCs dare attack if the island is de-militarised and all civilians(reserves) disarmed, whilst both sides are in the EU?. There are some who would not trust the GCs.

If completely demilitarised then no problem neither side could attack the other and the local police force will b able to take care of any unrest. But asking the Turkish army to leave while the GCs have 20.000 strong army and 100.000 armed reservists is not gonna happen as the situation is still very sensitive and GC like Piratis and Kifeas still display signs of wanting revenge which is very dangerous for everyone.

completely agree with you here VP but we've made that offer 100's of times from each president we've ever had. We scrap the national guard and outlaw weapons in cyprus and the turkish army withdraws. Turkey refuses though.

Maybe the right people should try and find out what Turkey wants, in order to withdraw its troops. I am sure the guarantees will be in place and the disarmaments will be arranged, so what is Turkey waiting for? Somehing we are not told?