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[humanist]

You may say I have no right to my country
You may not allow me to return
You may not care about me, and infact your actions show that you do not
But You will never stop the love that I have for my Cyprus burning in my heart



I feel better now:)

[paliometoxo]

may **** Ecevit Rest in pieces for sending turkish troops to cy rest in pieces in hell where he is burning and where gul and talat will join him soon

[Viewpoint]

You may say I have no right to my country
You may not allow me to return
You may not care about me, and infact your actions show that you do not
But You will never stop the love that I have for my Cyprus burning in my heart



I feel better now:)

Would that be love for the whole island?? then that woudl indirectly cover the TRNC Thank you.

[humanist]

Yes it is the whole Islane, unlike you I am not selling out. I have told you before as much as I would like to hate individual TC's I cannot bring myself to it. I'll give you a lollie though if you guess who is on my hate list at the moment

[Viewpoint]

Yes it is the whole Islane, unlike you I am not selling out. I have told you before as much as I would like to hate individual TC's I cannot bring myself to it. I'll give you a lollie though if you guess who is on my hate list at the moment

Thanks for the offer but I dont like lollies...

You want the whole island 100% and I want only 37%, who is being greedy here? You want to force me to live iwth GCs in a GC state where 80% will dominate me and influence my future. I want for us to both have our own parts to rule and administer without imposing anyhting on each other, which is fair do you think?

[humanist]

the difference between you and I is that I want 100% of the Island for all Cypriots to share. I don't discriminate based on language, coulour or etnicity. In a previous post of your you have clearly stated that not even the maronits a minority group in Cyprus are not welcomed in the trnc and that TC have the rght to violate their property rights and the right for them to pass on their inheritance t o theior children. You have siad that in a solution they will get what is decided. Fundamental issues their that you will never comprehend unless you open your mind and heart to see that all Cypriots are equal human beings.

There is nothing wrong with having your part, but wehen it impinges on another humans rights and freedomes there is a fundamental philosophy that you will never be able to comprehend unless you open your mind and heart to see that all Cypriots are equal human beings.

[Viewpoint]

the difference between you and I is that I want 100% of the Island for all Cypriots to share. I don't discriminate based on language, coulour or etnicity. In a previous post of your you have clearly stated that not even the maronits a minority group in Cyprus are not welcomed in the trnc and that TC have the rght to violate their property rights and the right for them to pass on their inheritance t o theior children. You have siad that in a solution they will get what is decided. Fundamental issues their that you will never comprehend unless you open your mind and heart to see that all Cypriots are equal human beings.

There is nothing wrong with having your part, but wehen it impinges on another humans rights and freedomes there is a fundamental philosophy that you will never be able to comprehend unless you open your mind and heart to see that all Cypriots are equal human beings.

Do you understand why we do not want to have GCs ruling our lives and why we want to have a say in our own future?

Do you understand that you GCs are 80% of the population and that you are condemning us to a sea of GC style democracy and red tape where our lives will be hell if no safeguards are in place?

You appear comfortable knowing you are the 80% and make no allowance for what you guys did in the past and can do so easily in the future if we allow you the freedom to do?

Where di I say what you claim about maronites, could you show every exactly what I said, they threw themselves with GCs they made their choices and whatever rights the GCs get also applies to them not that difficult to understand.

Having my part will not impinge on your rights to move around freely and live here if you wish, the only differenc ewill be that the north will be administered by TCs and south by GCs, you think this fair when you invite us into a GC state but not so when we ask for the same, let everyone chose where they wish to live either north or south.

[Eric dayi]

Yes it is the whole Islane, unlike you I am not selling out. I have told you before as much as I would like to hate individual TC's I cannot bring myself to it. I'll give you a lollie though if you guess who is on my hate list at the moment ;)

oxymoron or what?

[humanist]

Do you understand why we do not want to have GCs ruling our lives and why we want to have a say in our own future?

Do you understand that you GCs are 80% of the population and that you are condemning us to a sea of GC style democracy and red tape where our lives will be hell if no safeguards are in place?

You appear comfortable knowing you are the 80% and make no allowance for what you guys did in the past and can do so easily in the future if we allow you the freedom to do?

Where di I say what you claim about maronites, could you show every exactly what I said, they threw themselves with GCs they made their choices and whatever rights the GCs get also applies to them not that difficult to understand.

Having my part will not impinge on your rights to move around freely and live here if you wish, the only differenc ewill be that the north will be administered by TCs and south by GCs, you think this fair when you invite us into a GC state but not so when we ask for the same, let everyone chose where they wish to live either north or south.

VP I do understand, my understanding is that you see Cypriots as two different and distinct people, you may see them as good and the evil the red and the blue. That is the essence of your argument.


There are no safegurads in place because you are not proposing those. You leeader very clearly stated that he is pushing for partition. At the moment Cypriots of other camp prefer to live with the status quo.

Otherwise the peopl would have demanded via demonstraions pushing for the leaders to communicate and compare drafts of what they propose to be a just fair and equal society for all Cypriots to live in one Island nation without anyone right violations. one lot you marched once to get rid of Denktas twice in 2004 around the EU membership, some of you have marched on the otherside of the divide.

I really don't care nor am I comfortable with knowing that should i be in Cyprus I would be amonsgt what you term 80%, because I am a Cypriot just like Zan Kikapu Bir Piratis and Kifeas. Can you try to understnd where I am coming from please, thank you.

No I cannot dig up the post, am sorry for that and I would like to clarify that it was also my interpretation not word for word what you said. Sorry about that.

To some extend I agree with your proposal I agree to the part where under the federal Umbrella of the Un-ited States of Cyprus, where the policy makers act on social policy making, ensures that rights of each individual. I think a number of Cypriots currently living in the south would choose to reclaim the property, keep it sell it live in it whatever they choose to do with it. At the moment the choice to choose is not given to one portion of the population. By that I mean the talat administration is bloking it. With valid reasons behind it, no doubt about that. Similarly the another portion of the population feels the same. Hence going nowhere, talking honestly genuinely with sincerety will bring along many more fuits thtan theu one we have now.

Once again let me reiterate my point I don't believe that the best solution is two separate State because that still divides people to them and us. So long as we have them and us we have Cyprus problem, generations after generations.

The way I see it is like climate change if we don't act now we fuck it up for future generations. The moment Cyprus has two leaders who are inspirational enough spiritual (not religious) enough leaders to sit together and discuss how they can bring together the people of Cyprus to belong to one homogenous group, I am sad that there will be a Cypro. Sorry for going deep in to it that is my beliefe about the Cyprus problem I can yell scream and pull my hairs out over the net but the above is a statement of my personal view of the Cypro. Whether the capitalist system will allow two such people to embrace the Cypro and resolve it I am not sure.

[humanist]

To follow from that, the bureaurcrats who dish out the dough for this situation, have taken it from the wrong perspective, I sincerely do not believe this is a political issue I see it as socio-racial. If this is identified and some money was made available for structural issues such as housing and re-building abandined vilgaes, towns citties then the problem is solved.

Money ought to be spent in more unification programs if that is where the talat administration wants to go becase thus far it has proven that it is all over the shop. they say two state solution, they agreed on the AP etc. whilst the other side has I believe they have been more predictable with the BBF unification. Now if that what bothe communities agree upon it why not sit down and define it together., parlaimanetarians echange programs, youth programs talking it out, is it time talat accepted to work with papdopoulos on the invitation for the use of lemesos or is it time to work on a deal for Varosha. Something that will gain a little bit for everyone., otherwise it is iddle and therefore wasted.