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[erolz]

not at all insan,the provide housing for refugees in most cases and at no time do the g/c living in these houses own them,im not sure but i even think they pay rent to mantain them,the ones that are used.

Which is actually exactly the situation with the properties in Karmi - the 'state' (TRNC) owns them all and no one can buy them from the state which is why I find it a strange 'target' for GC attention (vs everywhere else)

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boulio

you sure things are going as well as you say:

I had a phone call today from a friend at the exibition he said hes very happy with sales and will attend again.

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boulio

link or article or is this just hersay?because if this did happen he has very easy means of recovering it in compensation at least.

A very close friend, who is currently seeking legal action in the south, but is finding brick walls where ever he goes.

[Piratis]

Foreign buyers should be sued, and Turkey should be taken to courts as well as it was the case with Loizidou.

[insan]

not at all insan,the provide housing for refugees in most cases and at no time do the g/c living in these houses own them,im not sure but i even think they pay rent to mantain them,the ones that are used.

I heard that "RoC" had expropriated the most valuable TC properties in South.

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boulio

link or article or is this just hersay?because if this did happen he has very easy means of recovering it in compensation at least.

Important point you made here, compensation good for us but not for you??? whats the difference???

[Alexandros Lordos]

This may sound like hypocrasy but I have concerns about 'foreign' buyers being treated differently to 'cypriot' buyers (or Cypriots granted land in lieu of that lost).

If there is a legal basis for suing people in properties owned by GC prior to 74 then it should apply equally to all as far as I am concerned.

I worry at the ease at which foreigners can be made an 'enemy' and one that is worse than (say) TC. They are also people. Most of them are not 'exploiters' - just normal people. Many are not just not 'expoliters' but actually 'true friends' of TC people (as many foreign residents in the south are 'true friends' of the RoC - and some not).

Erol, in my mind TCs have a good reason to be currently occupying GC properties - the whole historical course of the Cyprus Problem, for which individual everyday Cypriots cannot be blamed. The fact that TCs have nothing to feel guilty about is illustrated by the gracious way in which they welcome Greek Cypriot owners of their house whenever they visit. So it would be inappropriate to file legal action against TCs, and the matter should only be resolved within a Comprehensive Settlement.

Foreign buyers of GC property, however, do have a choice. They know that what they are buying as a bargain is only "theirs" because of a bloody conflict between Cypriots, and they also know that someone somewhere is holding a legal title deed to that home. They could easily have bought a legal property, one with an original TC title deed - but those of course are more expensive. It is this opportunistic behaviour which makes foreign buyers feel guilty deep inside, and this guilt shows whenever they behave aggressively or abusively to a Greek Cypriot who only asks to walk in so he can see the house in which he grew up.

Turkish Cypriots, by all means, have their genuine non-Cypriot friends. And of course they are welcome. But an honest person will not willingly choose a Greek Cypriot property to settle into, from the moment that he has a choice.

I have said all I have to say on this matter, and I will not participate in this thread any further. The reason is that I can already feel myself getting angry, just by the fact that we are discussing this as if there is something to discuss. Those of you (TCs) who are often angry with threads that run along the lines of "simple majority rule for Cyprus?" will understand how I feel.

[insan]

Alexandros, that's why I'm insisting on the economic sanctions being imposed upon TCs have worsened the circumstances of a solution. It is obvious that TCs sell those lands to foreignbuyers mainly because of the economical reasons.

If no economic embargos were imposed upon TCs, selling GC properties which TCs think that they have the equivelant in South; wouldn't have reached disturbing amounts.

For instance noone sells or buys a property which has no equivelant in South.

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Dear Alexandros,

I never wanted to upset you with this thread I apologize, in fact I picked from your own words in another thread.

You are one of the most open minded and methodical Greek Cypriot I have come accross and I read most of your comments with great interest.

What do we do?? just wait and keep everthing like Varosha/Maras for another 100 years??waiting for a solution that may never arrive, what do we do???

[Agios Amvrosios]

exchanged land in the south for land in the north via TRNC

The whole point is that the land was not exchanged. It was stolen at gun point. Only some GCs were given housing in refugee settlements. Many people lived in tents for almost a year after.

There was a wave of mass migration of refugees immediately after the invasion and most refugees lived like sardines in rented accomodation, 3 to 4 families to a house.

My point is the land grab was illegal.

Foreign property speculators have been warned by their respective governments not to purchase land owned by GC in the occupied areas.

Property speculators are opportunistic parasites who are trespassing on GC land.+ frustrating a solution.