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[insan]

Viewpoint I have a queery that so far no TC answered me. When exactly did the TCs start wanting a solution? I mean wanting it with their full hearts. Surely not in 1975. When exactly then?

Everythime. However it exposed itself when mass media spreaded all over Cyprus and encouraged them to show their will towards a solution.

[Viewpoint]

MicAtCyp

The compensation and funding issues can be amended to allow both communites to get real compensation, these issues should have been pursued at the negotiating table over the past 30 years, but I agree that compensation should be paid at such a degree that goes someway to compensating the enforced loss.

The land issue is very complicated and sensative one, because on the one hand you want to give back to pre 1974 owner full rights but on the other hand you have a dilema of moving humans that have been living there for 30 years or have invested on the land.

Foreigners buy holiday homes all over the world not just here. I think the whole issue has been blown out of all proportion, what if these homes were being sold to locals would it be better?? ı personally feel that a quota should be placed on the amount of land sold to foreigners.
Unless we are allowed to find alternative routes to stimulate the economy in the north this land development will continue, thats why the isolation issue has to be addressed thus allowing direct trade, flights and outside assistance.

Viewpoint I have a queery that so far no TC answered me. When exactly did the TCs start wanting a solution? I mean wanting it with their full hearts. Surely not in 1975. When exactly then?

Difficult to answer this one, because its different for each individual but at a guess I would say the last 15 years.
For many years after 1974 the bad memories were dominant and TCs didnt even consider a solution but has the new more educated generations came through, then opinions started to change.
Thats why there was a push for the Annan plan, the younger generation wanted an end to all this uncertainty, but the rejection came hard and changed many of our opinions, including mine.

[MicAtCyp]

Everythime. However it exposed itself when mass media spreaded all over Cyprus and encouraged them to show their will towards a solution.

I know that for you personally it was "everytime" Insan. However I asked for the average TC.

I would say the last 15 years.

Viewpoint I don't want to make a point on your honest reply. Just to observe the Gcs wanted a solution for 30 years with all their heart, whereas from what you say the TCs wait for a solution only for 15 years. So if the GCs can wait a bit more why not the TCs?

I hope you can understand from this forum that the GCs did not vote OXI (spells OHI) happily.That was perhaps one of our most unhappy days. For me personally it was the day I killed my own dream. I couldn’t do otherwise, the Anan Plan was not just bad, it was very bad for us. And it was not something we agreed between us, it was something that others decided for us without our consent.

[Viewpoint]

MicAtCyp

Viewpoint I don't want to make a point on your honest reply. Just to observe the Gcs wanted a solution for 30 years with all their heart, whereas from what you say the TCs wait for a solution only for 15 years. So if the GCs can wait a bit more why not the TCs?

I hope you can understand from this forum that the GCs did not vote OXI (spells OHI) happily.That was perhaps one of our most unhappy days. For me personally it was the day I killed my own dream. I couldn’t do otherwise, the Anan Plan was not just bad, it was very bad for us. And it was not something we agreed between us, it was something that others decided for us without our consent.

TCs felt freedom for the first time in 1974 although it was very hard times for both communites TCs due to GCs actions during 1960/1974 were untrusting of GCs intentions and feared a continuation of previous years murders attacks troubles. The division was a welcomed relief because people felt free, they had broken away from a situation that was not in our best interests and from people we could not trust.
We were in a part of the island where we felt safe and protect from GCs. Maybe this is why it took us 15 years to forget or forgive Gcs/Greeks for what they had done, the the gradual process of healing and thought pattern changed to maybe we can live with these people, maybe we should give it a chance add to this the younger generation better education and constant flow of uncensored information TCs started to think more positive towards a solution. The final push was the EU, many TCs felt that joining the EU and globalisation issues (plus Turkish Gtee) would provide them the protection they feel is of vital importance, plus other benefits which are what every country desires when joining.

Foor us and Im being real honest hear, the 30 years you claim you longed for solution, only makes us feel that your desire for a solution is not a genuine one, you clearly see the potential of the north and that is what you are after, we dont feel you wish to share anything with us but that you want your land back and full control of the island, reducing us to a minority. Many Tcs today feel the same way, so the YES for us was very difficult as we went to the polls not 100% happy with A plan but compromise was necessary, we thought lets try and move forward make this work only to find that the south who took part in all the negotiations told us no hold on I dont like this plan so ill reject it, we are going into the EU anyway so why should we compromise to this degree, we will have the EU on our side and they will ensure we obtain maximum demands. We are still very dubious about GC intentions and from all we read and see the GC government does not provide the positive outlook towards our community that would allow, at least me and I am sure there are many like me at this stage to vote YES again.
Thats why I always raise the issue of TRUST because if we are unable to overcome this barrier we are on a fast track to nowhere.

[Agios Amvrosios]

ViewPoint said:

you want your land back

You say that like like it is an outrageous abuse of your rights.

Of course we want our land back. What do you think?

Thanks now I know for next time. If someone ask us for our family home at gun point, We'll fix a nice refreshing cappucino, shake his hand, show him how to use the hot water heater, washing machine and other white goods go past the cemetary to where our family members are buried and then wave bye bye to him with a big smile.

Viewpoint:

"Oh...Its not fair! the refugees want their homes back!"

[Viewpoint]

Hey Agios Amvrosios, if you didnt notice we had a war in 1974, thats why we are in the position we are today, you should have a reality check here, we couldnt share the island together for reasons we all know, so we were seperated. I have your land and you have mine, but for the sake of peace and safety for all Cypriots I am willing to give up my property are you????

[MicAtCyp]

No Viewpoint you do not have our land and we have ours. You have twice our land than what you left behind. And 4 times the rewsources and perhaps 30 times the sea front.

Like you said we have in front of us the results of war(?!) The results of war can be reveresed either through logic or through another war. So far we are the winners in the economic war. Make your predictions accordingly.

[MicAtCyp]

Viewpoint,

What the GCs want is what is rightfully theirs nothing more nothing less.

Then you come and say "You don't want to share anything with us"!!!
I really cannot understand your statement.These are simplistic emotional statements of the kahvene. I heard similar statements like the GCs don't want us, they don't even want us to go back into RoC etc etc. I can assure you these statements are NOT true.

Of course it depends what you mean "share". If you mean that the refugess must share their properties then obviously nobody agrees. If you mean the Political power I think the fact that we accepted the concept of Federation as a compromise in SHARING the political power should be acknowledged by you?

Should we on top of it accept the loose confederation=2 separate states of the Anan Plan to convince you of our good will? That is not sharing. It was quaranteed to collapse. And that would be splitting. We don't want splitting. We want sharing.

You keep on repeating your yes for the Anan Plan. For me your yes at the Anan Plan does not necessarily show a genuine will for a fair solution, because if the Anan plan was not almost 100% satisfactory for you, and almost 100% taking out rights you wouldn’t say yes.
In fact your sides insistance for the Anan Plan really worries me that the only solution you would accept is one which will not be fair for the GCs.

And I repeat this really worries me. I am not convinced the TCs would vote yes if they are presented with a fair solution. And by fair I don't mean by our Standards.

You may say but, it was prepared by the UN it should be fair etc. It was not prepared by the UN! It was prepared by ONE indivudual working for the UN after a lot of Anglo-American "invlovement".
There are hundreds of European, American and other experts who examined the Anan Plan and said not only it is unfair, it is actually legalising the results of the Invasion! Others said constituitionally is the work of a schizophrenic!

I am also surprised of your insistance that the sale of GC land to foreigners must continue to fascilitate your development. If that is indeed your only option for development -to which I disagree- then you should sell your own land to foreigners, not the land that belongs to GCs. Like I said in my previous post(s) those who do this are thieves and those who buy are receivers of stolen goods.

In my opinion each and every step I see from your side is a step towards partition.If you manage to eventually make partition the only option available, be sure that will cost you very dearly, I mean you are not going to get it so easily and for nothing.

[Saint Jimmy]

Hi guys, hope you don't mind my intruding your conversation...

Then you come and say "You don't want to share anything with us"!!!
I really cannot understand your statement.These are simplistic emotional statements of the kahvene. I heard similar statements like the GCs don't want us, they don't even want us to go back into RoC etc etc. I can assure you these statements are NOT true.

MicAtCyp, you and I know that these statements are not true. But TCs have every right to not know it, and to not believe it. These convictions, these perceptions about GCs didn't come out of nowhere. If one can begin by considering the sources of these attitudes, maybe it might be easier to understand them.
This is my opinion on this matter.

You may say but, it was prepared by the UN it should be fair etc. It was not prepared by the UN! It was prepared by ONE indivudual working for the UN after a lot of Anglo-American "invlovement".
There are hundreds of European, American and other experts who examined the Anan Plan and said not only it is unfair, it is actually legalising the results of the Invasion! Others said constituitionally is the work of a schizophrenic!

This witch-hunt is sterile. And, in my opinion, it does not reflect reality. It might be convenient for both sides to blame things on anyone but themselves, but, surely, you must have realized that the Cyprus problem is not a real problem to anyone but us Cypriots... I mean, who has a problem with the status quo right now? Who, and why, should be interested in a problem that is not a real problem? It's not like the Israel-Palestine issue, where people are dying and Israel is under constant threat (status quo undesirable to the Americans), or Kuwait back when Saddam went wild (status quo undesirable to the entire West), or Bosnia.
Therefore, we can safely assume that, because the Cyprus problem is not at the top of anyone's agenda, they really couldn't care less on whether, or how, it is solved. De Soto, Hannay and Weston weren't out to get us, they were trying to win a friggin' Nobel Peace prize, or a promotion, or a transfer to New York, or whatever... They had every reason to want to solve it, as individuals. On a state policy level, there was no agenda whatsoever, unfortunately... Neither the US, nor the UK give a damn on whether we solve it, or whether we stay like this forever. They have nothing to lose or gain.

[boulio]

intersting article,i wonder if it try that the british high courts under EU regs. really means anything

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... ewsid=7836