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[Othellos]

.......Theres nothing to score points about its just that bad attitude that ouzzes out of certain greek cypriots on this forum that we are all thieves and living in stolen property makes me sick.

Do you deny Viewpoint that in the summer of 1974 the properties of thousands of GCs were stolen from them by Turkey at gunpoint? And have u ever considered that the attitude and "reasoning" of some TCs in this forum with respect to this fact can make GCs just as sick?

O.

[Alexandros Lordos]

well it was a mainland 18 year old turk that did the deed.

As a psychologist, I would suspect that the boy who did it was mentally unstable, perhaps even borderline psychotic ...

This sort of "gratuitous murder of benefactors", with no apparent rational motive, is usually committed by people who suffer from paranoid schizophrenia or other similar diseases.

This murder should certainly NOT be used to develop, or confirm, a prejudice against mainland settlers. The boy was probably ill, and that is the end of the story.

[Viewpoint]

Othellos

Do you deny Viewpoint that in the summer of 1974 the properties of thousands of GCs were stolen from them by Turkey at gunpoint? And have u ever considered that the attitude and "reasoning" of some TCs in this forum with respect to this fact can make GCs just as sick?

With all due respect to GCs who lost property in 1974, I object to it being related to stealing, circumstancies brought about by both communities (trying to avoid placing blame)culminated in 1974 with the action taken by Turkey to seperate the 2 communities.
GCs do not have the monopoly on property loss, their numbers maybe greater but that doesnt make their loss greater than ours, ALL CYPRIOTS LOST....What I object to is the arrogant attitude and venomous remarks displayed by GCs about us and the English residents being thieves and living in stolen property, for gods sake we went through terrorism to war, lives, homes and livelihoods are always wiped out during these bad events. But who caused those events we Cypriots did, so all this talk about us being thieves doesnt help relations it only encourages remarks like mine, which I feel have been criticized by many on the forum, maybe it has made a few forum contributors stop and think, I hope so.
Although I have argued partition would probably be our best bet for a clean solution this thought is fuelled by the attitude of both sides after the referendum and the negative stance of the Greek Cypriot administration.

[MicAtCyp]

I agree with you MicAtCyp, he should have been pursuing the legal aspect not making personal visits to English residents, from what a couple told me saying you only have 3 months left in this property, why dont you leave now. Id call that harassment wouldnt you?? I dont expect you to agree!!!

Absolutely!
Now you tell me what their buying of stolen property makes them?
Harassed receivers of stolen goods perhaps?

And what did you, my dear law abiding citizen Viewpoint answered to that poor couple who received their stolen goods juuust 3 months back?
Do I really need a reply from you???

[Viewpoint]

MicAtCyp

And what did you, my dear law abiding citizen Viewpoint answered to that poor couple who received their stolen goods juuust 3 months back?
Do I really need a reply from you???

Could you kindly clarify this point and stop referring to us as thieves.

[Othellos]

Othellos

Do you deny Viewpoint that in the summer of 1974 the properties of thousands of GCs were stolen from them by Turkey at gunpoint? And have u ever considered that the attitude and "reasoning" of some TCs in this forum with respect to this fact can make GCs just as sick?

With all due respect to GCs who lost property in 1974, I object to it being related to stealing, circumstancies brought about by both communities (trying to avoid placing blame)culminated in 1974 with the action taken by Turkey to seperate the 2 communities.
GCs do not have the monopoly on property loss, their numbers maybe greater but that doesnt make their loss greater than ours, ALL CYPRIOTS LOST....What I object to is the arrogant attitude and venomous remarks displayed by GCs about us and the English residents being thieves and living in stolen property, for gods sake we went through terrorism to war, lives, homes and livelihoods are always wiped out during these bad events. But who caused those events we Cypriots did, so all this talk about us being thieves doesnt help relations it only encourages remarks like mine, which I feel have been criticized by many on the forum, maybe it has made a few forum contributors stop and think, I hope so.
Although I have argued partition would probably be our best bet for a clean solution this thought is fuelled by the attitude of both sides after the referendum and the negative stance of the Greek Cypriot administration.

Calm down, Viewpoint, and read my post carefully. All I wrote is that in 1974 Turkey did steal the homes and lands of thousands of GCs and this is a fact. Why do you expect the GCs (especially those who are from the occupied areas) to keep quiet about it? As to the question on whether an individual who at present occupies property that is not his is a thief or not, this depends from the particular details of every case as well as his / her own approach on the issue.

O.

[Viewpoint]

Othellos you are obviously not wanting to understand what Im saying, Ill put it this way Turkey dealt the slap that Greek Cypriots asked for via Aktaris/Enosis/Coup/....., The events of 1974 divided us, and lives, property, livelihoods were lost by both communities, so stop calling us or the Turks thieves, Greek Cypriots lite the fuse to the bomb that explodes in their faces in 1974.

I agree with you that you do not have to stay quiet about losing your properties and from what I gather you are doing everything to try and get the worlds attention to address this issue, what I object to is being called thieves (Turkey included here)it antagonizses me and other TCs into making comments which are counter productive.

You reep what you sow.

[Othellos]

........what I object to is being called thieves (Turkey included here)it antagonizses me and other TCs into making comments which are counter productive.

Counter productive for what, Viewpoint? A solution, perhaps? This will not happen by trying to "re-invent" the meaning of certain english words, to their sound of which you seem to be so...sensitive. If you cannot use the word "theft" or "roberry" to describe Turkey's 1974 actions in Cyprus with respect to GC properties, then which word would u use? Other than that, I believe that I have already explained what makes one a thief with respect to this issue and in my opinion.

O.

[Viewpoint]

Othellos,
OK you keep this attitude up, and Im sure it will benefit GC TC relations both on and off the forum. You are a very good example of why I have been moving more and more for partition as the best solution.

[metecyp]

Here's my opinion on the topic of "thieves". First of all, it was necessary for Turkey to come to Cyprus, what else did you expect Turkey to do after the coup, just sit and watch Cyprus being annexed to Greece? I think it was also necessary to seperate the two communities after all the violence. It's debatable if this could have been done better. You might say, TCs could be protected without creating 200.000 GC refugees and you're entitled on your opinion. But whatever your opinion is, a new structure was formed in 1974 where majority of TCs moved to the north and majority of GCs moved to the south (and you can blame Turkey as much as you want on this).

Now, many TCs migrated from the south to the north due to obvious reasons and they needed homes to live in. So these people are not thieves. You would have done the same thing in the same situation. They left homes behind and they had to use a former GC house in order to survive.

Secondly, there are TCs, who have lived and who are currently living in a land/house that was owned by a TC before 1974 (like my parents). These people are not thieves either.

Thirdly, there are TCs, like myself, who were born in the north after 1974. My generation had no choice in regard to which house/land to live in. Although I don't live on a previously GC owned land/house, even if I did, I wouldn't feel like a thief because I had no choice. So TC generation after 1974 are not thieves either.

Finally, there are TCs who had nothing before 1974 and they became rich all of a sudden in 1974 due to GC losses. These people are, in my opinion, thieves. Because they willingly chose to profit from someone else's loss.

It hurts when I see some GCs label all TCs as thieves so easily. Things are not black and white. You wouldn't like if I call all GCs TC-killers, would you? So let's stop making generalizations.