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De facto recognition?

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Could "recognition" speed up the "solution" process?

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Total votes : 19

Postby brother » Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:00 pm

How do you guys get these smileys and then use them in your posts, as i see it you guys have an unfair advantage over me hence you are eating away at my rights so in response i refuse to be in the same forum as you guys until we are equal standing and if you try any funny games i will get my older sister to punch you where it hurts. :lol: :lol: :lol: And by the way any funny comments and my sister will have to bitch slap you both. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby cannedmoose » Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:53 pm

Gul says Turkey's EU protocol not recognition of Cyprus
CNA - LONDON-United Kingdom - 15/03/2005 07:56:37

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Gul says Turkey's EU protocol not recognition of Cyprus

by Kyriakos Tsioupras

London, Mar 15 (CNA) -- Turkish Minister of Foreign Affairs Abdullah Gul said after a meeting yesterday in London with British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw that Turkey will sign the protocol extending its customs union to the new EU member-states but noted that in the case of Cyprus this would not mean the recognition of the Republic of Cyprus.

Straw said Britain recognises the ''good faith'' of Turkey on this issue and pointed out that it was not the responsibility of the Turkish government that the protocol has not yet been signed.

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As for smileys brother, go to http://emoticons4u.com/index.htm click on any of the smileys, the code pops up in the box above, just copy that into your post... like this...

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Postby brother » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:03 pm

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Thanks for that cannedmoose, i will now tell my sister to leave you guys alone. :D
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Postby cannedmoose » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:48 pm

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Thanks for that cannedmoose, i will now tell my sister to leave you guys alone. :D


Dammit, I was hoping for a good bitch-slap... but only if you sister looked like this Image
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Postby Realist » Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:58 am

Does anyone know how the Turkish public feel about the matter of recognision, and would the Turkish prime minister survive any possible backlash if he went ahead with this move if it was unpopular?
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Postby pantelis » Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:21 pm

German social democrats warn Turkey for the first time

German social democrats, who have so far voiced support for Turkey's aspirations to join the EU, said Turkey was giving alarm signals, Referans reported.

Martin Shulz, the head of the social democrat group in the European Parliament, said Turkey should implement more reforms and recognize Cyprus within the framework of international law.

The German parliamentarian said Turkey faced the danger of missing the boat and added if Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan wanted to change the current situation, he should do something at once.

In addition to mentioning the statements of Shulz, who called on Turkey to implement reforms, Vatan reported that European Parliament President Josep Borrel said the recognition of Greek Cyprus by Turkey was a must for the opening of accession talks with Turkey on Oct. 3, a date determined by EU leaders at the Dec. 17 summit in Brussels.

“You cannot negotiate with a country that you don't recognize,” he said.


To "EU", or not to "EU"; that is the question!
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Postby insan » Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:35 pm

pantelis wrote:
German social democrats warn Turkey for the first time

German social democrats, who have so far voiced support for Turkey's aspirations to join the EU, said Turkey was giving alarm signals, Referans reported.

Martin Shulz, the head of the social democrat group in the European Parliament, said Turkey should implement more reforms and recognize Cyprus within the framework of international law.

The German parliamentarian said Turkey faced the danger of missing the boat and added if Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan wanted to change the current situation, he should do something at once.

In addition to mentioning the statements of Shulz, who called on Turkey to implement reforms, Vatan reported that European Parliament President Josep Borrel said the recognition of Greek Cyprus by Turkey was a must for the opening of accession talks with Turkey on Oct. 3, a date determined by EU leaders at the Dec. 17 summit in Brussels.

“You cannot negotiate with a country that you don't recognize,” he said.


To "EU", or not to "EU"; that is the question!



Let's see how this Hellenic Conspiracy will end. I can see the tears and pain of shooting yourself with your own gun but you can't see it because you are sure that Turkey has been cornered and will accept everything asked by the others. You didn't feed up playing this fatal game that caused sufferings of thousands people.

It is obvious that this Hellenic Conspiracy will end up with something undesireable for Hellenes. Then, as usual; they will accuse everyone except themselves the responsible of the outcome.
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Postby -mikkie2- » Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:45 pm

Insan,

This has nothing to do with Hellenic Conspiracies and everything to do with the standards and norms that the EU expects of a candidate country.

Come October 3rd, delegations from ALL EU member states will need to be visiting Turkey, to see that for each relevant chapter Turkey is implementing, laws and regulations that adhere to the community Aqcuis. If a Cypriot delegation is refused entry into Turkey what would happen then? If Cyprus can't make her own informed decisions about what is happening on the ground in Turkey how can Cyprus agree for negotiations to continue? This will lead to polarisation of views within the EU. This won't be a matter of Cyprus standing on her own. Countries that may want to topedo Turkish accession will be supporting Cyprus.

I wonder why Erdogan is pushing so hard for a new round of negotiations to start. Is it not because he wants Cyprus out of the way as a problem to her EU path before negotiations begin? This is a test of how much Turkey wants to become European more than anything else. If anyone is going to be shooting themselves in the foot its the Turks!
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Postby insan » Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:52 pm

Come October 3rd, delegations from ALL EU member states will need to be visiting Turkey, to see that for each relevant chapter Turkey is implementing, laws and regulations that adhere to the community Aqcuis. If a Cypriot delegation is refused entry into Turkey what would happen then? If Cyprus can't make her own informed decisions about what is happening on the ground in Turkey how can Cyprus agree for negotiations to continue? This will lead to polarisation of views within the EU. This won't be a matter of Cyprus standing on her own. Countries that may want to topedo Turkish accession will be supporting Cyprus.


This is something that EU must resolve because EU created this problem by making "RoC" an EU member before the Cyprus problem resolved. It's not Turkey's problem. And if Turkey is forced to a formal recognition of "RoC"; she will not hesitate to ask suspension of her EU negotiations. It is as simple as this.


Ps: And we all know which EU country blackmailed all other EU countries to have "RoCs" membership accepted before a solution is found to Cyprus Problem. And we all also know who played delaying tactics until "RoC" becomes a full member of EU. But you still claim that this is not a Hellenic Conspiracy.
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Postby pantelis » Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:09 pm

Can the Turkish ruling elite have the "burek" whole and eat it too?

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... ewsid=8695
Observing the statements and behavior of the Turkish ruling elite (simply the “establishment”) the critical question, “does the Turkish ruling elite sincerely want Turkey to join the European Union?” will soon beg an answer. There is no doubt that the majority of people are in favor of EU membership for the simple fact that they want their lives to be managed better and a more affluent life.


The EU project brought Turkey and the AKP government closer to both Europe and the U.S. However, as the government slacked its pace in democratization and economic reforms it started slipping on the European stage. As it began to lose touch with the U.S. due to anxieties emanating from its Middle Eastern policies like the possibility of an independent Kurdistan that is widely believed could eventually dismember Turkey...


My prediction.........
"Cyprus" will soon fall at the bottom of Turkey's list of priorities.
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