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[boomerang]

i didn't say there was pogroms on the islands i was just merely pointing at turkish attrocities.

whats to say the same wouldn't have happened to the RoC as well as what happened to the islands.

just look whats happening to the kurds, mountain turks as they call them, today. what exactly changed?

it kinda proves the saying a leopard can't change its spots. doesn't it?

ps. good luck to the islanders in getting their properties back, but from experience it looks like pushing shit up hill.

[Nikitas]

Boomerang,

The property thing on Imvros and Tenedos gets a little funny at times. Before Turkey's EU membership bid it was all tough regulations and underhanded expropriation. As soon as European Parliamentarians started visiting the island things softened. People are now allowed to repair (!) their houses, they can return to the island for festivals etc, and some property confiscation is being reviewed.

The situation regarding property in Istanbul is more complicatd because of the influx of new residents who have occupied homes and shops. But overall the case in point is that these precedents are evidence of what would happen if the Turkish Cypriots seconded by Turkey got the upper hand.

On the other hand, contradicting the "you genocide us" tune is the actual state of the Turkish communities in northern Greece and the islands of Kos and Rodos. Not only they have not been "genocided" but they have increased their numbers in two generations. So the stereotype of the "genociding" Greek just does not stand.

The leopard might not change it spots, but Turkey will have to change lots of things if it means to get into Europe. Cyprus is not the only problem in its way. Its biggest problem is itself.

[boomerang]

the RoC is a miniscule problem as far as turkey's asspirations in joining the EU. the biggest is the kurds. thats gonna screw them.

what you see today in cyprus, just magnified it by 100.

[zan]

if you had two cyprus pounds in money one pound in coin form

the other in paper note form in your pocket

can anyone in this forum tell me which one is more valuble

Scrap value of the coin is greater........

anything is more valuble when one does not see the valid question put forth shame you missed it zan adn you ended up in the scrap yard

Mate....I get you OK! I get what you are saying and the place where you are at. I am sorry but I cannot get there without my brothers by my side. I want to live like a TC and being one is the only way. I am fed up of holding the higher ground. It really gets you nowhere if your opponent does not come to you. Sorry but that is the way I see it. Some of us can dream and some can philosophise but I prefer to get my hands dirty. I just cannot let your sadness take me over and believe me I can fell your sadness...

[DT.]

if you had two cyprus pounds in money one pound in coin form

the other in paper note form in your pocket

can anyone in this forum tell me which one is more valuble

Scrap value of the coin is greater........

anything is more valuble when one does not see the valid question put forth shame you missed it zan adn you ended up in the scrap yard

Mate....I get you OK! I get what you are saying and the place where you are at. I am sorry but I cannot get there without my brothers by my side. I want to live like a TC and being one is the only way. I am fed up of holding the higher ground. It really gets you nowhere if your opponent does not come to you. Sorry but that is the way I see it. Some of us can dream and some can philosophise but I prefer to get my hands dirty. I just cannot let your sadness take me over and believe me I can fell your sadness...

you're just as blind as the rest of us Zan. Will only see your case and interests. Don't kid yourself about holding onto any higher ground.

[zan]

if you had two cyprus pounds in money one pound in coin form

the other in paper note form in your pocket

can anyone in this forum tell me which one is more valuble

Scrap value of the coin is greater........

anything is more valuble when one does not see the valid question put forth shame you missed it zan adn you ended up in the scrap yard

Mate....I get you OK! I get what you are saying and the place where you are at. I am sorry but I cannot get there without my brothers by my side. I want to live like a TC and being one is the only way. I am fed up of holding the higher ground. It really gets you nowhere if your opponent does not come to you. Sorry but that is the way I see it. Some of us can dream and some can philosophise but I prefer to get my hands dirty. I just cannot let your sadness take me over and believe me I can fell your sadness...

you're just as blind as the rest of us Zan. Will only see your case and interests. Don't kid yourself about holding onto any higher ground.

SPEAK UP DOWN THERE........I CAN"T HERE YOU!!

[Viewpoint]

Hypothetical question but there are some non hypothetical precedents.

Judging from the way the islands Imvros and Tenedos look today, and the overall scene in souther Turkey, the probability is that Cyprus would be very much like that. The added cost of transport would mean even less industry than southern Turkey and Imvros and Tenedos. The overall picture is of economic stagnancy, and lots of nationalist symbols everywhere. Naturally the non Turkish element has been foced out one way or another despite the fact that there was no sign of hostility in either island.

In contrast, the Turkish communities of the islands of Kos and Rodos, just a few miles south of Imvros and Tenedos are doing fine and they enjoy full equality, property rights, participation in the business life of the islands. I know several Rodian Turks who maintain business on mainland Turkey too but chose to live in Rodos and send their kids to the local schools there.

So there you have the two examples to compare and choose.

What about the Turks of Crete?

[zan]

Hypothetical question but there are some non hypothetical precedents.

Judging from the way the islands Imvros and Tenedos look today, and the overall scene in souther Turkey, the probability is that Cyprus would be very much like that. The added cost of transport would mean even less industry than southern Turkey and Imvros and Tenedos. The overall picture is of economic stagnancy, and lots of nationalist symbols everywhere. Naturally the non Turkish element has been foced out one way or another despite the fact that there was no sign of hostility in either island.

In contrast, the Turkish communities of the islands of Kos and Rodos, just a few miles south of Imvros and Tenedos are doing fine and they enjoy full equality, property rights, participation in the business life of the islands. I know several Rodian Turks who maintain business on mainland Turkey too but chose to live in Rodos and send their kids to the local schools there.

So there you have the two examples to compare and choose.

What about the Turks of Crete?

Of course you mean the Muslim Greeks don't you VP....

[free_cyprus]

if you had two cyprus pounds in money one pound in coin form

the other in paper note form in your pocket

can anyone in this forum tell me which one is more valuble

Scrap value of the coin is greater........

anything is more valuble when one does not see the valid question put forth shame you missed it zan adn you ended up in the scrap yard

Mate....I get you OK! I get what you are saying and the place where you are at. I am sorry but I cannot get there without my brothers by my side. I want to live like a TC and being one is the only way. I am fed up of holding the higher ground. It really gets you nowhere if your opponent does not come to you. Sorry but that is the way I see it. Some of us can dream and some can philosophise but I prefer to get my hands dirty. I just cannot let your sadness take me over and believe me I can fell your sadness...

zan then i openly say bollox to them all who think they are turkish and greek cypriots
i rather have no identity and be a cypriot as a cypriot then to become one of them turkish or greek cypriots

and if it means standing alone than im more then happy in my own campany to stand alone in my identity as a cypriot

[zan]

if you had two cyprus pounds in money one pound in coin form

the other in paper note form in your pocket

can anyone in this forum tell me which one is more valuble

Scrap value of the coin is greater........

anything is more valuble when one does not see the valid question put forth shame you missed it zan adn you ended up in the scrap yard

Mate....I get you OK! I get what you are saying and the place where you are at. I am sorry but I cannot get there without my brothers by my side. I want to live like a TC and being one is the only way. I am fed up of holding the higher ground. It really gets you nowhere if your opponent does not come to you. Sorry but that is the way I see it. Some of us can dream and some can philosophise but I prefer to get my hands dirty. I just cannot let your sadness take me over and believe me I can fell your sadness...

zan then i openly say bollox to them all who think they are turkish and greek cypriots
i rather have no identity and be a cypriot as a cypriot then to become one of them turkish or greek cypriots

and if it means standing alone than im more then happy in my own campany to stand alone in my identity as a cypriot

Your way seems to be to always find the easy road...Even if it is not the right road. I intend to stay for the ride and say bollocks to each and every one of them....I do not wish to change them into something that they are not though.....