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[Agios Amvrosios]

There are many conspiracy theories about Cyprus.


Was the Annan Plan designed to fail at a referendum?

I sometimes think that it was becuase it was just so far from the minimum threshhold of what GCs would accept. It just got my paranoia working overtime. I mean it is like the minimum GC threshhold of requirements for a solution were not even considered.

The plan was doomed for a reason.

[insan]

There are many conspiracy theories about Cyprus.


Was the Annan Plan designed to fail at a referendum?

I sometimes think that it was becuase it was just so far from the minimum threshhold of what GCs would accept. It just got my paranoia working overtime. I mean it is like the minimum GC threshhold of requirements for a solution were not even considered.

The plan was doomed for a reason.

Because Tassos prepared ground the failure of Annan Plan when he was dreaming the "European Solution" and postponing his maximal demands afterwards the full membership of Cyprus in order to bring adventagous of EU membership on the table. Yes, it is true the failure of Annan Plan was the conspiracy of Tassos.

[-mikkie2-]

Insan,

Why do you keep making these accusations? Why can't you respect that the GC's voted no? Why can't you understand why we said no? Don't the surveys that Alexandros went through the trouble of making cary any weight with you?

Tassos was asked to force through a plan the day after he was voted, something which he did not personally negotiate. He was forced to accept a botched procedure which did not allow for proper negotiations. It was forced because it was not deemed necessary for both sides to approve the plan prior to referendum. Not only that, Turkey and Greece did not agree to the security arrangements. Nobody agreed to this plan. And you expected the GC's to jump for joy and vote yes?

[pantelis]

11. We recommend that in any future negotiations on a settlement based on the Annan Plan, the parties be invited to consider accelerating the withdrawal of Turkish and Greek forces and the demilitarisation of Cypriot forces, so that all these are reduced to zero and security guarantees are provided by an external force acting under the terms of a mandatory resolution of the United Nations Security Council. (Paragraph 195)

12. We note the very strong feelings of the Greek Cypriot people about the need for restitution of property to its rightful owners and conclude that the property issue remains one of the most crucial to be addressed in the search for a solution to the Cyprus problem. We conclude that in any revival of the talks process it will be necessary to find ways of addressing Greek Cypriot concerns which do not disadvantage Turkish Cypriots. An element of outside financial support may be helpful in this regard. (Paragraph 199)

We further recommend that the Government and the European Union look sympathetically at ways of alleviating the financial burdens of a settlement on ordinary Cypriots. (Paragraph 216)

[pantelis]

Turkey declared that Kurds had moved many of their compatriots into Kirkuk before the elections and thus had manipulated the results in their favor in this city of vital important vis-à-vis the establishment of an independent Kurdistan.

Turkey fears that a fully Kurdish controlled Kirkuk is an open declaration of Kurdish aspirations for independence.

The so-called “red lines” of Turkey, insistence of an autonomous Kirkuk and no to Kurdish independence, was reiterated.

In return, the other leader of the northern Iraqi Kurds, Massoud Barzani, who is playing for the post of prime minister of northern Iraq and thus is very sensitive to local sensitivities, said: “Kirkuk belongs to Kurds” and “the establishment of an independent Kurdistan cannot be stopped.” These were his own “red lines.”

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... ewsid=7116


"Red lines", voters re-arrangements, self-determination, etc.

History repeats itself....in all directions!

[pantelis]

According to media reports Ozkok underlined the "red lines" the military would not want to see be crossed in any Cyprus deal. Reportedly, the military demands a final settlement to uphold the principle of two ethnic communities, to recognize Ankara's continued involvement as one of the guarantor powers for Cyprus and to allow some presence of Turkish troops, even that number is symbolic.

http://www.tusiad.us/specific_page.cfm?CONTENT_ID=429

Turkish Side's 'Red Lines' Proposal Gains Ground in Cyprus Talks

Some progress has reportedly been made on the Turkish side's 'red lines' proposal as the Cyprus talks draw to a close. UN Secretary General, Kofi Annan, is expected to give the last draft, said to be over 9,000 pages with appendixes, to the negotiating parties. The main text of the plan is about 150 pages. While the sides will be discussing the draft through March 31, the UN will try to put finishing touches to the agreement. Aiming to conclude the talks by April 1 at the latest, the sides will return to their countries with the latest version of the plan.


Prime Minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Greek Prime Minister, Kostas Karamanlis, U.N. Secretary General, Kofi Annan, and European Union (EU) Commissioner for Enlargement, Günther Verheugen, will participate in the talks today. However, it is stressed that Verheugen will not be a party in the discussion. English and American officials continue to contribute to the talks. Erdogan called Annan and E.U. term president, Irish Prime Minister, Bertie Ahern, and Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul called U.S. Secretary of State, Colin Powell, to say that a solution is closer than it has been in the last 30 years. Noting Turkey's constructive attitude, Erdogan and Gul requested the international community to put pressure on the developing negotiations. Yesterday, Annan sent invitations to a reception where the sides will meet. The U.N. Secretary-General will discuss the details with a committee of 15 people that includes three people from each side.


The Turkish side is optimistic that their demands have been understood and that a receptive atmosphere has prevailed. Believing that their concerns were understood by the E.U., the U.S. and even 'the Greeks', the Turkish committee opines that they are considered to be the ones that want a solution and express their demands well. The Greeks seem to be troubled, on the contrary. In a meeting with De Soto, Greek Foreign Minister, Petros Molivyatis, played for time saying, 'We want to review the plan line by line.'


29.03.2004
Selcuk Gultasli, Salih Boztas
Burgenstock
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&hn=6942

Isan,
Who could cross the "red lines"? Annan, Talat or Papadopoulos?

[Bananiot]

Much respected, Greek President Costis Stephanopoulos, claimed the other day that Tasos charged emotionally the GC's by crying on television (he actually took his glasses off for viewers to see his tears) during his address to the Greek Cypriots prior to the referendum. By doing so, he claimed, he influenced the voters to say no.

The US State Department’s 2004 Human Rights Report released yesterday, says something to this extend too. But, of course, they are americans, you cannot expect otherwise. What about Stephanopoulos, though? Well, Tasos has an answer for such persons too. He must have been paid by UNOPS or perhaps the CIA!

Insan, I agree with you. Mikkie, do not expect me to show respect for a person that accuses me of treason, because I voted for the solution. I have said this many times. Tasos is not interested in a solution. He has never been. He is a known entity. Do not let him cloud the issues. All he and his partner Christofias cares for is the presidency of the RoC and if the UN can come up with an idea which will not make him a muhtar then he might be willing to discuss it.

[insan]

Insan,

Why do you keep making these accusations? Why can't you respect that the GC's voted no? Why can't you understand why we said no? Don't the surveys that Alexandros went through the trouble of making cary any weight with you?

Tassos was asked to force through a plan the day after he was voted, something which he did not personally negotiate. He was forced to accept a botched procedure which did not allow for proper negotiations. It was forced because it was not deemed necessary for both sides to approve the plan prior to referendum. Not only that, Turkey and Greece did not agree to the security arrangements. Nobody agreed to this plan. And you expected the GC's to jump for joy and vote yes?

mikkie,

It was obvious that Tassos and his crew didn't sincerely want to negotiate and improve Annan Plan before May 1st because of the reasons we all well know. During the negotiations, he was dreaming the "European Solution", he was schemeing the "Europena Solution". We all know that what elements contain his "European Solution". He does not care the feasibility of the things he ask. He does not care whether what he ask will cause both communities to suffer more. He only cares what he and his close crew will get with the so-called "European Solution".

[insan]

Ultra-nationalist group threatens more attacks against Anastassiades and other ‘yes’ voters
By George Psyllides

AN obscure ultra-nationalist group yesterday claimed responsibility for Tuesday’s grenade attack against the home of DISY chief Nicos Anastassiades.

In a declaration found in a phone booth outside a Limassol supermarket at noon, the self-proclaimed Cypriot Nationalist Organisation claimed responsibility for the dawn attack, which caused only minor damage, and warned “traitor” Anastassiades to resign by May 11 or else Tuesday’s incident “would constitute a minor warning”.

The group accused Anastassiades of spreading lies and misinforming the outside world about the situation on the island.

The organisation made threats against Anastassiades’ family and all those who voted ‘yes’ for the “treacherous plan”, stressing that Cyprus was “not for sale”.

Police spokesman Demetris Demetriou said this was not a new organisation but dismissed it as “lacking seriousness”.

In the past the organisation had circulated pamphlets with anarchist contents, Demetriou said.

Police said the declaration had been typed out using a manual typewriter.

DISY deputy chairman Averoff Neophytou yesterday urged the government to spare no effort in resolving the case and finding out who was behind the group.



http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... 2&cat_id=1


Dare doing or saying something they don't like and see what happens?

[pantelis]

http://www.radikal.com.tr/haber.php?hab ... 02/09/2003