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[humanist]

VP I may not be inteligent enough but I don't know what you mean by leveling fields, I need that explained clearly and sacinctly.

BTW last week I would have considerate the possibilty of partition, today after a great Cypriots move to start his business in the government controlled areas of Cyprus and the increasing number of Cypriots travelling to the government controlled areas each and every day for work I am of the impression that I had early this week that an informal unification is on the cards, one way of course, as oposed to partition.

Anyway people I better head off to work

have a good day or night .... sweet dreams

[Kikapu]

To be honest Turkey does not seem to be any rush I still feel the gaining of the right to start negotations and gain a EU entry prespective was more important at the current time to stimulate foreign investment in Turkey which has hit record highs. As long as they maintain this EU perspective they appear to happy.

Eric Dayi used the same reasoning the other day and I did not bother to answer him, but I will do so now since you are also singing the same tune.

Just because foreign investment comes into Turkey is one thing, but where the profits go, is the ONLY thing. The profits of course go right out of the country to the original investors and the only thing that Turkey gains, is what the individual worker gets at a very low wage in comparison to the rest of the EU. So in essence, the Turkish work force is being used to improve the lives of the EU citizens and the lives of the investing country. With Turkey's wast amount of available work force, the investors will keep the wages low so that the average worker will not make more that the going rate, which is less than $500 US Dollars per month, or $6,000 a year which ranks Turkey 69th in the per capita earnings in the world. That is down from 67 from 2005, so the trend is going backwards and not forward.

Yes it is true that this does create some jobs in Turkey, but who are the owners of all these businesses. What Turkey needs to do, is to create her own industries to keep her own profits at home so that the average pay can be increased to the average worker. This is what she can do by being in the EU, because the moment the Turkish workers start demanding more money from the foreign investors, they will just close shop and move their operations to the next third world country, just because they can. So by saying that Turkey does not need to join the EU because foreign investment is record high, is actually a bad sign down the road for major correction when these foreign investors decides to pull the plug in Turkey. I'm not saying this will happen, but also don't be so certain, that it will not.

[humanist]

just on that note two or so years there was an uproar from Greeks about Greece sending the national guard uniforms to Turkey to have their tags sown on. Fancy that, turkish workers sowing the enemies uniforms and getting pittence for it. Don't need EU? re think that one my friend.

[Eric dayi]

VP I may not be inteligent enough but I don't know what you mean by leveling fields, I need that explained clearly and sacinctly.

BTW last week I would have considerate the possibilty of partition, today after a great Cypriots move to start his business in the government controlled areas of Cyprus and the increasing number of Cypriots travelling to the government controlled areas each and every day for work
I am of the impression that I had early this week that an informal unification is on the cards, one way of course, as oposed to partition.

And they take their wages and go and spend it back home in the KKTC and that gives you the idea that "unification is on the cards"?

Anyway people I better head off to work

have a good day or night .... sweet dreams

I hope I have not spoiled your day when you return home and read my reply.

[Eric dayi]

just on that note two or so years there was an uproar from Greeks about Greece sending the national guard uniforms to Turkey to have their tags sown on. Fancy that, turkish workers sowing the enemies uniforms and getting pittence for it. Don't need EU? re think that one my friend.

That goes to prove that the Greeks can't afford to pay wages because they are in the EU and prices have sky rocketed and out of control in every EU country. Don't need Turkey? re, think that one my "friend".

[boomerang]

turkey won't be able to be competitive for too long. china is the manufacturing hub of the world. what turkey has today will disappear tomorrow and then she has nothing. poor population with no hope of ever catching up.

only fools believe turkey doesn't need the EU, ain't this right ricco

[miltiades]

This is for those GC liars who claim that Makarios was not the EOKA leader and didn't want ENOSIS.

It is also proof that Grivas and EOKA terrorists' goal was not just to get rid of the British but mainly to have ENOSIS which was the dream of generations of Greek Cypriots.

After getting rid of the British and independence of Cyprus in 1960, the GCs started their second phase for ENOSIS in 1963 and tried to genocide us TCs. EOKA A failed and in 1974 EOKA B tried it again for a second time. They failed again and the island was divided.

Today the Greek Cypriots with their lies and propaganda are trying to hide the fact that the genocide war in Cyprus was started by the Greek Cyprios and that EOKA A wanted ENOSIS. The Greek Cypriots are lying and claiming that EOKA B wanted ENOSIS and EOKA A only wanted to get rid of the British rulers and independence for Cyprus.


The GCs got rid of the British but it was us TCs who put a stop to the ENOSIS dream otherwise there would not be a Turkish Cypriot left alive in Cyprus today because Grivas and Makarios did not envision Cyprus as a multicultural country.

Today, the new "Cypriot nation" whom the Greek Cypriots claim exists in Cyprus is nothing but an ENOSIS seeking extension to EOKA A that was formed by Grivas and Makarios as their leader.

Generations of GCs dreamt of ENOSIS and generations of GCs will dream of ENOSIS but their dream will remain a dream because we Turkish Cypriots will not let you have your ENOSIS.


http://www.geocities.com/helleniccyprus/grivas.html

Thereafter Grivas focused on the idea of liberating Cyprus from the British colonial rule and its Union with mainland Greece (ENOSIS), an ideal nourished by generations of Greek Cypriots. As a member of the secret Committee for the Cyprus Struggle he took the oath of ENOSIS together with the newly elected Archbishop Makarios III, with whom he collaborated for preparing the armed struggle.

Listen you blithering idiot , what was immoral about 80 plus % of Cypriots wanting ENOSIS with Greece or any other system of self government

It was 96% Greek Cypriot who wanted ENOIS but you never thoughtof asking us TCs if we wanted to be a prat of Greece or not, you GCs just planned on forcing it in us as you tried it from 1964 - 1974 by force of arms and attempted genocide and you are still trying politically and if thay don't work you are getting ready to use force by arms again.

Stick your ENOSIS where the sun don't shine you stupid racist senile old fool.

YOU proudly display a foreign flag of a nation that is depriving some 15 million Kurds of autonomy , and yet you consider that the wishes of the 80 per cent were immoral?? Grow up kid get your face out of Turkeys arse and try to save the indigenous T/C from extinction. You continue with your malicious crap spreading poison and hatred , you are as I said earlier a bullshitter and a bloody foreigner in Cyprus. You do not represent the opinions of the vast majority of the T/Cs.

Don't I? Then where is your "Cypriot nation" and where is your unification, hmmmmmm? Are you any close to gettung "unification" aqnd your ENOSIS, hmmmm?

BW, the Turkish flag is foreign for you but not for me and not for the TCs. Would you like me change the Turkish Flag to the LKKTC flag? Ask the Admin here to allow us TCs to use the flag we want or shut up.

GO TO HELL AND TAKE YOUR POISON WITH YOU PLONKER.

I've been there and back now it's your turn.

Ohhhhhhh....how the truth must hurt when the GC lies and propaganda is poven to be nothing but lies and propaganda.

Usual crap from a foreigner fanatic , one that is seen by all to be the epitome of what caused the Cyprus conflict in the first place. People like you would line up and execute in cold blood men women and children because they are not your type.You are a disgusting human and a disgrace to your nation , Turkey that is, because you are NOT a Cypriot mate just a vulgar plonker.

[miltiades]

just on that note two or so years there was an uproar from Greeks about Greece sending the national guard uniforms to Turkey to have their tags sown on. Fancy that, turkish workers sowing the enemies uniforms and getting pittence for it. Don't need EU? re think that one my friend.

That goes to prove that the Greeks can't afford to pay wages because they are in the EU and prices have sky rocketed and out of control in every EU country. Don't need Turkey? re, think that one my "friend".

Turkey , at number 61 in the World Bank GDP tables needs Europe far more than the other way around. Turkeys per capita earnings amounts to $4710 , compare this to the Cyprus figure of $16510 and you can see the vast difference. It is not surprising that Turkish migrants are still arriving in the UK illegally having paid their life's' savings to a rouge smuggler to get them into the UK.
BOTSWANA , VENEZUELA, LEBANON, LATVIA, LITHOUANIA , SEYCHELLES , SLOVENIA , some of the countries with higher figures.
Greece at number 27 , with $19670 is some way ahead.
Turkey at number 61 in the World Bank tables badly needs to move ahead and the way forward is Europe , polemics and nationalistic tribe are constrains that have to be re asses ed for the benefit of the Turkish people , and of course the Kurdish people.

[boomerang]

turkey currently holds the number 2 position at the imf and trying her damn hardest to steal the number one spot from argentina.

i for one , am disapointed they are not at number one position, when i know the turks are really good at what the do. i reckon atakemalakas would have been disapointed with number 2.

come on guys go the extra mile and get the number one spot.

here ricco lead the way

[boomerang]

just on that note two or so years there was an uproar from Greeks about Greece sending the national guard uniforms to Turkey to have their tags sown on. Fancy that, turkish workers sowing the enemies uniforms and getting pittence for it. Don't need EU? re think that one my friend.

That goes to prove that the Greeks can't afford to pay wages because they are in the EU and prices have sky rocketed and out of control in every EU country. Don't need Turkey? re, think that one my "friend".

hey ricco there is a difference between not affording to make it, but affording to buy it.

see if you can figure it out

now in turkey they can afford to make it, but not to buy it. now in your own opinion who is screwing who?