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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:28 pm

To be honest Turkey does not seem to be any rush I still feel the gaining of the right to start negotations and gain a EU entry prespective was more important at the current time to stimulate foreign investment in Turkey which has hit record highs. As long as they maintain this EU perspective they appear to happy.
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Postby DT. » Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:35 pm

Viewpoint wrote:To be honest Turkey does not seem to be any rush I still feel the gaining of the right to start negotations and gain a EU entry prespective was more important at the current time to stimulate foreign investment in Turkey which has hit record highs. As long as they maintain this EU perspective they appear to happy.


not really, being in the business I can assure you that the only thing driving it right now is the hope of more foreign acquisition of some of your blue chips.

Foreign investment is not an idiot. If you look like you're not heading in the EU then everyon e needs to think WHere the heck areyou heading? And is the risk of not knowing where you;re heading worth it?
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:50 pm

DT. wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:To be honest Turkey does not seem to be any rush I still feel the gaining of the right to start negotations and gain a EU entry prespective was more important at the current time to stimulate foreign investment in Turkey which has hit record highs. As long as they maintain this EU perspective they appear to happy.


not really, being in the business I can assure you that the only thing driving it right now is the hope of more foreign acquisition of some of your blue chips.

Foreign investment is not an idiot. If you look like you're not heading in the EU then everyon e needs to think WHere the heck areyou heading? And is the risk of not knowing where you;re heading worth it?


You are right if Turkey losses its EU perspective the "hot money" can start to go out but investment in factories and business cannot escape so easily, Turkey will keep the EU carrot dangling they are not stupid they do not have to make any progress just keep talking with EU officials to ensure they apear to be on track and still interested, whether they enter is a totally different story.
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Postby Nikitas » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:02 am

Can the historians here give a reason why EOKA B tried several times to kill Makarios? Why did they overthrow him in 1974 (temporarily)? These undisputed facts of EOKA B hatred for him do not make sense in view of the contention that EOKA B was nothing more than a continuation of the original EOKA and that Makarios was its leader.

And while you are at it can you all tell us what the KIP plan was and what was the meaning of the title Bayraktar Bozkurt?
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Re: EOKA, ENOSIS, MAKARIOS and GRIVAS.

Postby Eric dayi » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:06 am

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Eric dayi wrote:This is for those GC liars who claim that Makarios was not the EOKA leader and didn't want ENOSIS.

It is also proof that Grivas and EOKA terrorists' goal was not just to get rid of the British but mainly to have ENOSIS which was the dream of generations of Greek Cypriots.

After getting rid of the British and independence of Cyprus in 1960, the GCs started their second phase for ENOSIS in 1963 and tried to genocide us TCs. EOKA A failed and in 1974 EOKA B tried it again for a second time. They failed again and the island was divided.

Today the Greek Cypriots with their lies and propaganda are trying to hide the fact that the genocide war in Cyprus was started by the Greek Cyprios and that EOKA A wanted ENOSIS. The Greek Cypriots are lying and claiming that EOKA B wanted ENOSIS and EOKA A only wanted to get rid of the British rulers and independence for Cyprus.


The GCs got rid of the British but it was us TCs who put a stop to the ENOSIS dream otherwise there would not be a Turkish Cypriot left alive in Cyprus today because Grivas and Makarios did not envision Cyprus as a multicultural country.

Today, the new "Cypriot nation" whom the Greek Cypriots claim exists in Cyprus is nothing but an ENOSIS seeking extension to EOKA A that was formed by Grivas and Makarios as their leader.

Generations of GCs dreamt of ENOSIS and generations of GCs will dream of ENOSIS but their dream will remain a dream because we Turkish Cypriots will not let you have your ENOSIS.


http://www.geocities.com/helleniccyprus/grivas.html

Thereafter Grivas focused on the idea of liberating Cyprus from the British colonial rule and its Union with mainland Greece (ENOSIS), an ideal nourished by generations of Greek Cypriots. As a member of the secret Committee for the Cyprus Struggle he took the oath of ENOSIS together with the newly elected Archbishop Makarios III, with whom he collaborated for preparing the armed struggle.



Listen you blithering idiot , what was immoral about 80 plus % of Cypriots wanting ENOSIS with Greece or any other system of self government


It was 96% Greek Cypriot who wanted ENOIS but you never thoughtof asking us TCs if we wanted to be a prat of Greece or not, you GCs just planned on forcing it in us as you tried it from 1964 - 1974 by force of arms and attempted genocide and you are still trying politically and if thay don't work you are getting ready to use force by arms again.

Stick your ENOSIS where the sun don't shine you stupid racist senile old fool.

YOU proudly display a foreign flag of a nation that is depriving some 15 million Kurds of autonomy , and yet you consider that the wishes of the 80 per cent were immoral?? Grow up kid get your face out of Turkeys arse and try to save the indigenous T/C from extinction. You continue with your malicious crap spreading poison and hatred , you are as I said earlier a bullshitter and a bloody foreigner in Cyprus. You do not represent the opinions of the vast majority of the T/Cs.


Don't I? Then where is your "Cypriot nation" and where is your unification, hmmmmmm? Are you any close to gettung "unification" aqnd your ENOSIS, hmmmm?

BW, the Turkish flag is foreign for you but not for me and not for the TCs. Would you like me change the Turkish Flag to the LKKTC flag? Ask the Admin here to allow us TCs to use the flag we want or shut up.

GO TO HELL AND TAKE YOUR POISON WITH YOU PLONKER.


I've been there and back now it's your turn.

Ohhhhhhh....how the truth must hurt when the GC lies and propaganda is poven to be nothing but lies and propaganda.
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Postby humanist » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:09 am

What is with this persistence with the Turks on this forum wanting to associate Cyprus to Greece? Get it boys an girls Cyprus does not want Enosis with Greece the only enosis Cyprus wants is with its occupied territor.
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Postby humanist » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:13 am

VP i think you are tripping on hot air if you think Turkey is holding back on EU membership. She is dying to get membership like a hungry dog is going for its bone. Mate do not asume you are talking to a bunch of morons Turkey is stuck and it is stuck by the Cypro, it may be bying time to figure out how she'll get out of this mess.

Do a google search on Turey and the Cypro and you will see what the international arena is saying on the matter.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:14 am

humanist wrote:What is with this persistence with the Turks on this forum wanting to associate Cyprus to Greece? Get it boys an girls Cyprus does not want Enosis with Greece the only enosis Cyprus wants is with its occupied territor.


If they can bring themselves to accept our community as equal partners and safeguards in a BBF structure with political equality then they will get what they want.
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Postby humanist » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:17 am

I thought we are heading towards partition, whats this silly talk on BBF? ;) How do you propose that equalty happens VP?
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:24 am

humanist wrote:I thought we are heading towards partition, whats this silly talk on BBF? ;) How do you propose that equalty happens VP?


If BBF does not happen then time will bring recognized partition. Equality I have explained many times come through a level playing field.
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