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[repulsewarrior]

eric,

is there a Greek Cypriot you 'love'?

[denizaksulu]

Deniz and Zan,

I read your posts with great interest. Especially Zan's assertion that TMT's presence on the island fitted in with the plan to isolate and gradually push out the Turkish community. I do not want to open a whole can of worms called the "cyprus file" on this forum, but this view ties in with some personal suspicions I have. The Cyprus File is the evidence presented to a Greek Parliament committee, mean to lead to conclusions about the reasons for the Cyprus tragedy of 1974. The committee met but the conclusions were never published.

The acquiescence by Turkey leads to all kinds of questions about deals that might have been worked out and it ties in with the burying of the "Cyprus File".

Deniz, the Greek officer in question was a hardliner by the name of Papapostolou. A passionate anticommunist and nationalist, one of the "cream" of the Junta people. HE served as Makario's liaison with the mainland Greek army for a while. He was the one who proposed the large scale attack. This officer was interviewed on Greek TV but he skirted around the difficult questions. His boss was the dictator Ioannidis who has chosen to die in prison rather than talk about the events of 1973- 74 when he was in charge.

Thanks for the little quip of information. For a moment I thought the reference was to George Grivas, the Greek Hero.

[Eric dayi]

is eric worth my time? NO

That answers all my question that I put to you perfectly. You are only playing the part of being a "humanist" but other then that you are just the same as the other ENOSIS seeking GCs and nothing else.

You really should change your name to "unti-humanist" or even better "unti-Turkish Cypriot".

here's my questions I put to you in my last posting once again which you tried to worm your way out of by refusing to answer.

PS: I made them red, bold and large just in case you missed seeing them last time.

What are you scared of "humanist"?

Oh yes, a very sound advice from a "humanist" who is trying to tell me to accept and trust those who are trying to force us TCs to forget our race, ancestors and our Turkishness.

Call yourself a "humanist"? The only "humanist" about you is only for your own people and their rights but have you once admitted that we TCs have our rights too and you would fight for our rights to call ourselves Turkish Cypriots?

have you ever told any racist GC to stop being a racist and stop hating anything Turkish?

Have you condemned GR for what he did to Expatkiwi?

Are you scared of what they might do to you if you did?

Don't tell me to trust and love those that you yourself can not trust or love pal because if as a GC you are scared of your own people how do you expect me as a hated Turkish Cypriots by GCs to trust and love them eh?

Talk is cheap pal but I don't see you take any actions against these people?[/b]

Well, what's it to be? Are you going to answer these question or run away and stick your head in the sand "humanist", hmmm?

[Eric dayi]

Murataga and Zan,

I know that Rauf Dnetash is a lawyer, and I do know of his family background. By peasant I did not mean that he tilled the soil! HE was born in a village like Makarios was. Dr Kutcuk was an academic and son of a rich landowning family, a member of the upper classes of Cyprus. Being a big landowner in the 40s and 50s in Cyprus was entirely different to being a civil servant, even a highly paid one. Clarified that I hope.

Now as to the Makarios thing, it is not what they taught me in school. It is what I learned from experience and contact with events and people involved in events. There is nothing in what I posted that tries to absolve Makarios of his mistakes nor any indication that I sympathized then, or now, with his handling of Cyprus at any time. I said clearly that as a priest he did no belong in politics.

I understand that you do not have access to Greek press, history articles and the view of the "man on the street". You would be surprised to hear the mainland Greek's opinion of Makarios, which is probably a little worse than yours. Most( Right wing) Greeks consider him a traitor because he was against Enosis (their words not mine) while the leftists consider him an anomaly of history because he was a priest in politics.

My view is that he undervalued status of the Republic. He came on as the man who would promote Enosis, then figured out it was not possible. He opted for independence and the situation he had created backfired on him.

I realise the Turkish Cypriots see him as the man who ordered the attacks on them. Or at the very least who did not stop them. My question is if he had the power by then to order anyone to do anything. I do know that one mentally unabalanced mainland officer proposed an all out attack and mass slaughter of Turkish Cypriots and Makarios was horrified and had him recalled. So on that evidence I would say he did not condone violence against civilians. But on the other hand he did let the division and the enclaves go on till 1974 and that in turn led to the establishment of TMT power, which brings us back to his ambivalent attitude about Cyprus as a nation state. A mistake from which all the problems follow. None of this is taught in Greek schools by the way.

Makarios came to power in the first place becuase he wanted ENOSIS the same as Greece and 96% of the GCs did. He supported Grivas and the EOKA and gave his blessings for the murders. He is as responsible for many deaths as is Grivas, Samsun and the EOKA from 1958 to when he changed his mind.

The reasons why he changed his mind could be for different things such as:

1) When he became a President of a newly formed republic he didn't want to give his seat away and become just another "Priest". He enjoyed his newly found fame and wanted to enjoy it longer.

2) He fought back when Greece and EOKA tried to cut short his "Presidency".

3) His God told him that enough blood was spilled and scared the daylights out of him if he didn't stop the killing.

4) He really thought that to many innocent GCs lost their lives and did not want to be responsible for any more GC deaths.

I really do not believe that he felt sorry for any TC casualties and wanted to stop the murdering of TCs otherwise he would have suggested that we stop the killing and return to the 1960 constitution together as was agreed but instead he carried on with his wish to change the constitution and to make us second class citizens.

Makarios was the worst thing that happened to Cyprus and he is responsible for many murders. He was the EOKA leader and now you GCs have another EOKA terrorist as your "President" and we are supposed to forget all that and embrace you GCs as if nothing has happened although it is evident that the majority of GCs still want ENOSIS and hate anything Turkish with a vengeance so much so that they are trying to force me to forget even my Turkishness.

Thanks, but no thanks.

CRAP AND MORE CRAP !! Boy you are indeed sick .

Hmmmmm.....me thinks me hit a sore nerve somewhere, me just wonders where though?

[Get Real!]

Of course it's GC lies and propaganda that the war in Cyprus is everyone else's fault but the GCs.

NOPE not everyone else's fault . . . . just the Turks' fault!

You always can't except the fact that Cyprus decades ago belonged to the Ottoman Empire that means us Turks. When Turkey rented Cyprus to the British and signed a hundred year contract the barstard English refused handing it back over and gave it to you inorder to fuck up the relationship between t/c and g/c and they were successful. They also earned alot of money coz they supplied us firearms etc. So get ur facts right and dont blame it on the Turks coz it easy face reality.

You should get YOUR facts right...

Having lost in WWI Turkey had officially signed away ALL CLAIMS TO CYPRUS, including the right of intervention, in the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne. See articles 20 & 21...

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/treaty_of_lausanne.htm

[phoenix]

. ..who is trying to tell me to accept and trust those who are trying to force us TCs to forget our race, ancestors and our Turkishness.

[/b]

If it's any consolation Eric, I for one do not want you to forget you're Turkish . . . (although you do seem to have a chip on your shoulder about it . .).

Now look into my eyes and repeat after me . . .

" I am Turkish, therefore I belong in Turkey. . . I must leave Cyprus"

Now GO

[Get Real!]

You really should change your name to "unti-humanist" or even better "unti-Turkish Cypriot".

Have a guess why you irritate me...

[Get Real!]

Have you condemned GR for what he did to Expatkiwi?

Why don't you run a democratic poll and ask everyone that question?

[Get Real!]

If it's any consolation Eric, I for one do not want you to forget you're Turkish . . . (although you do seem to have a chip on your shoulder about it . .).

Now look into my eyes and repeat after me . . .

" I am Turkish, therefore I belong in Turkey. . . I must leave Cyprus"

Now GO

[Eric dayi]

. ..who is trying to tell me to accept and trust those who are trying to force us TCs to forget our race, ancestors and our Turkishness.

[/b]

If it's any consolation Eric, I for one do not want you to forget you're Turkish . . . (although you do seem to have a chip on your shoulder about it . .).

Now look into my eyes and repeat after me . . .

" I am Turkish, therefore I belong in Turkey. . . I must leave Cyprus"

Now GO

Proof of what I say number 1.