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I hate Archbishop Makarios.

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Postby Boumboulina » Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:22 am

Piratis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Isnt this the Makarios that loved little boys, your idol was a Paedophile (Greek word) dictator who hated anything Turkish especially us as we stood in his way to him giving Cyprus into Greece.


I remember few months ago same accusations were made against Atatürk.

For one thing, how the hell do you know what anyone was doing what and when with young boys. Now, it is a occurring thing that some priests, imams and politicians tend to abuse their trust given to them, but where is the proof.

How long will it be, before the GC's start dragging Atatürk's name through the mud again VP, because you want to throw stones in a "glass house".


Maybe VP had a close encounter with some bearded man in black when he was a child. Then in his mind the hate for that man and the brainwashing against Makarios got mixed up :lol:
Denctash was openly a member of TMT, which killed 100s of innocent GCs, the Turkish state with Ecevit made an invasion that killed 1000s of GCs and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands and TCs today are openly celebrating those atrocities against us, and then they come here to throw mud on Makarios by inventing things against him.


Piratis good psychiatrist. :D
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Postby Eric dayi » Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:37 am

Kikapu wrote:Why are we talking about a man who has been dead for 30 years or so.??



And I thought you were a clever man kikapu but I AM not surprised that you prove otherwise.

I know, because we talked about Atatürk not too long ago with accusations about his life.


Wroooooong. I wasn't here when you talked about Ataturk.

Try this, this is the reason why this thread and the other one has been started by me, to prove that GCs are telling lies and that their lies and propaganda in nothingbut lies and propaganda.

Piratis wrote:Makarios was not responsible for what happened during the intercommunal conflict, which was a conflict between the paramilitaries of the two sides.


That is just one quote and I am sure you have seen many, many more but your love for anything Greek makes you blind and you believe and defend anything Greek or Greek Cypriot but attack anything Turkish or Turkish Cypriot.

So, who will the "shit stirrers" resurrect soon to become the next piñata to beat on, I wonder.??


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Postby Eric dayi » Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:44 am

kurupetos wrote:eric dayi,

Makarios died 30 year ago. Are you trying to revive the intercommunal fighting of the past or just justify the turkish invasion of '74? :roll:


Neither, read the thread and find out for yourself.

It is your GC compatriots who are threatening with war, not me and as far as I know no other TC has threatened the GCs with war either.

One of your GC compatriots even threaten to kill me if I don't do as he says and get in his way when he and his warriors attack the KKTC and take it in two days.
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Postby boomerang » Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:47 am

hey ricco, boo. hahahahha. sorry didn't mean to give you a heart attack. hahahahah


ps. did you bring any lollies with you? hahahahaha
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Postby boomerang » Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:48 am

oh and i forgot, it looks like your avatar came out of a monthly. yours by any chance? hahahaha
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Postby miltiades » Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:17 am

Kikapu wrote:Why are we talking about a man who has been dead for 30 years or so.??

I know, because we talked about Atatürk not too long ago with accusations about his life.

So, who will the "shit stirrers" resurrect soon to become the next piñata to beat on, I wonder.??


Kikapu , you are so right , here are these people full of hate who in order to cultivate their hatred and intensify their campaign of hate will dig anything from the past to feed their insatiable appetite to spread hatred.
Here is one G/C sending his love and respect to a T/C and knowing fully well that it is reciprocated.
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Postby miltiades » Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:24 am

A lot of nonsense has been posted on this forum by the hate mongers whose only purpose is the cultivation of hatred amongst the people of Cyprus. Makarios gave up on ENOSIS way back in 1959 and all should understand this very important change of direction , independence was his goal .

Makarios III
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Archbishop Makarios III



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1st President of the Republic of Cyprus
In office
August 16, 1960 – August 3, 1977
Vice President(s) Dr. Fazıl Küçük
Preceded by New office
Succeeded by Spyros Kyprianou

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Born August 13, 1913(1913-08-13)
Panagia, Paphos, Cyprus
Died August 3, 1977 (aged 63)

Political party No party
Makarios III (Greek: Μακάριος Γ`; born Mihalis Christodoulou Mouskos (Greek: Μιχαήλ Χριστοδούλου Μούσκος), August 13, 1913 – August 3, 1977) was the archbishop and primate of the autocephalous Cypriot Orthodox Church (1950-1977) and first President of the Republic of Cyprus (1960-1977).

Contents [hide]
1 Early life, studies, and Church career (1913-1950)
2 Enosis and EOKA (1950-1955)
3 Exile, escalation and Taksim (1955-60)
4 Primacy and presidency (1960-1963)
5 Makarios and the Cyprus Problem (1964-1977)
6 Death and legacy
7 Quotes
8 See also
9 Notes
10 References
11 External links



[edit] Early life, studies, and Church career (1913-1950)
Makarios was born in Panayia village in the Paphos District on August 13, 1913. His father was a farmer whilst his mother, a housewife, died soon after childbirth. In 1926, at the age of 13, he was admitted to Kykkos Monastery as a novice. At age 20 he was sent to the Pancyprian Gymnasium in Nicosia, where he completed his secondary education in 1936. He spent the difficult years of World War II studying theology and law at the University of Athens graduating in 1942. He took up the duties of a priest in the Orthodox Church while sustaining an interest in academic theology, he received a World Council of Churches scholarship to undertake further study at Boston University, Massachusetts, U.S..

In 1948, while still studying at Boston, he was elected Bishop of Kition. Mouskos adopted the clerical name 'Makarios' and returned to Cyprus.

Makarios was a charismatic and popular figure in Cyprus, but his relationship with the British authorities was fraught. Like many public figures in the Greek Cypriot community on Cyprus, in the 1940s and 1950s he was an active supporter of enosis, the union of Cyprus with Greece.


[edit] Enosis and EOKA (1950-1955)
On 18 September 1950, Makarios was elected Archbishop of Cyprus. In this role he was not only the official head of the Orthodox Church in Cyprus, but became the Ethnarch, de facto national leader of the Greek Cypriot community. This highly influential position put Makarios at the centre of Cypriot politics.

During the 1950s, Makarios embraced his dual role as Archbishop and Ethnarch with enthusiasm and became a very popular figure among Greek Cypriots. He soon became a leading advocate for enosis, and during the early part of the decade he maintained close links with the Greek government. In August 1954, partly at Makarios’s instigation, Greece began to raise the Cyprus dispute at the United Nations, arguing for the principle of self-determination to be applied to Cyprus. This was viewed by advocates of enosis as likely to result in the voluntary union of Cyprus with Greece following a public plebiscite.

However, the British government were reluctant to decolonise the island which had become their new Headquarters for the Middle East. The 1950s was a troubled decade for the British Empire and the cause of enosis was quickly and amorphously allied to the idea of independence. In 1955, a pro-enosis organisation was formed under the banner of 'Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston' (in English 'National Organisation of Cypriot Fighters') or 'EOKA'. This was a typical independence movement of the period, viewed by some as a legitimate resistance movement and by others as an intimidatory terrorist group. The issue is still controversial. Makarios undoubtedly had common political ground with EOKA and was acquainted with its leader, the Greek soldier and politician George Grivas, but the extent of his involvement is unclear and disputed. In later life he categorically denied any involvement in the violent resistance undertaken by EOKA.


[edit] Exile, escalation and Taksim (1955-60)
On August 20 of the same year, Greece submitted a petition to the United Nations requesting the application of the principle of self-determination to the people of Cyprus. After that, the colonial Government of Cyprus enforced the anti-sedition laws for the purpose of preventing or suppressing demonstrations for freedom; but the Archbishop defied them and continued demanding self-determination for Cyprus.

In October 1955, with the security situation deteriorating, the British governor, Sir John Harding, opened talks on the island’s future. By this stage, Makarios had become closely identified with the insurgency, and talks broke up without any agreement in early 1956. Makarios, characterised in the British press as a crooked Greek priest and viewed with suspicion by the British authorities, was exiled to Mahe Island in the Seychelles on 9 March. EOKA continued its campaign of protests and violence during this period.

In the latter years of the 1950s, the Turkish Cypriot community first began to float the idea of Taksim or partition, as a counterweight to the Greek ideal of enosis or union. Advocates of Taksim felt that the Turkish Cypriot community would be persecuted in a Greek Cyprus, and that only by keeping part of the island under either British or Turkish sovereignty could the safety of the Turkish Cypriots be guaranteed. In this way the Cyprus dispute became increasingly polarised between two communities with opposing visions of the future of the island.

Makarios was released from exile after a year, although he was still forbidden to return to Cyprus. He went instead to Athens, where he was rapturously received. Basing himself in the Greek capital, he continued to work for enosis. During the following two years he attended the General Assembly of the United Nations where the Cyprus question was discussed and worked hard to achieve freedom for his people.

Under the premiership of Constantine Karamanlis in Greece, the goal of enosis gradually was abandoned in favour of Cypriot independence. Negotiations in 1958 generated the Zurich Agreement as a basis for a deal on independence, and Makarios was invited to London in 1959 to fine-tune the plan. Makarios at first refused to accept the plan. The reversal of his pro-enosis stance, and his eventual agreement to sign the conditions for the independence of Cyprus, have been attributed to moral suasion on behalf of the Greek and British governments. According to a more controversial account, the archbishop was blackmailed by the MI6 with disclosure of material relating to his private life.[1]

On 1 March 1959 the archbishop returned to Cyprus to an unprecedented reception in Nicosia, where almost two-thirds of the adult Greek Cypriot population turned out to welcome him. Presidential elections were held on 13 December 1959 and Makarios roundly defeated his rival, lawyer John Klerides – father of future president and Makarios ally Glafkos Klerides – receiving two-thirds of the vote. Makarios was to become the political leader of all Cyprus as well as the communal leader of the Greek Cypriots.


[edit] Primacy and presidency (1960-1963)
After his election Makarios, together with the Vice-President-elect, Dr. Fazıl Küçük, continued to draw up plans for Cyprus’s future. By now, Makarios had accepted that enosis was not to be, and that the only outcome which could secure harmony in Cyprus was robust independence. Taking office on 16 August 1960, the day the Union Flag was finally lowered in Nicosia, Makarios moved towards the moderate centre of Cypriot politics and now pursued a policy of non-alignment, cultivating good relations with Turkey as well as Greece and becoming a high-profile member of the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM).

In March 1961, Cyprus was admitted as member of the Commonwealth of Nations and His Beatitude represented the island at the Commonwealth Prime Ministers΄ Conference. He attended the Belgrade NAM conference in September 1961, and unnerved the governments in London and Washington with his lukewarm policy towards the West. This was seen in the United States as unpredictability and demonstrating a tendency towards communism; Makarios was vilified as the "Castro of the Mediterranean," although he had by now been rehabilitated in the British press and was affectionately nicknamed ‘Black Mak’ on account of his clerical garb.

But the idea of an independent path for Cyprus had not taken root among the general public at home, and the political scene was still highly polarised. There was increasing acrimony between Turkish and Greek Cypriots about the workings of the constitution, and Makarios was forced to act to salvage the machinery of state from imminent collapse. In November 1963, Makarios proposed Thirteen Amendments to the Constitution, which would free many public offices from the ethnic restrictions agreed in London and Zurich. This, he argued, would allow the government to operate more efficiently, and bring together the communities by dissolving rigid inter-ethnic legal boundaries. However, the Amendments were seen by many Turkish Cypriots as threatening constitutional protections against domination by the majority Greek Cypriots. In response to Makarios’ proposals, most Turkish Cypriots in public office, including Vice-President Kucuk, resigned; further, large numbers of Turkish Cypriots moved out of ethnically-mixed areas into villages and towns where the population was already largely Turkish Cypriot. There is still dispute over the motives for this, some arguing that it was made necessary by the intimidation of the Turkish Cypriots by the Greek Cypriots; others suggest that the Turkish community was sabotaging the Cypriot settlement and already preparing for partition by Turkey. By the end of 1963, intercommunal violence had broken out once again and the atmosphere on the island was volatile.


[edit] Makarios and the Cyprus Problem (1964-1977)
The political landscape in Cyprus remained interminable. UN peacekeeping operations (UNFICYP) commenced in 1964 and helped to soothe, but not solve, the situation. Makarios continued his high-profile neutrality, but ultimately failed either to reassure the Turkish Cypriots that they were safe in an independent Cyprus, or to convince the Greek Cypriots that independence was a satisfactory alternative to assimilation within a Greater Greece.

President Makarios, seeking a fresh mandate from his constituency, announced in January 1968 that elections would be held during February. Makarios received 220,911 votes (about 96 percent), and his opponent, Takis Evdokas, who ran on a platform for unification with Greece, received 8,577 votes. Even though there were 16,215 abstentions, Makarios' overwhelming victory was seen as a massive endorsement of his personal leadership and of an independent Cyprus. At his investiture, the president stated that the Cyprus problem could not be solved by force, but had to be worked out within the framework of the UN. He also said that he and his followers wanted to live peacefully in a unitary state where all citizens enjoyed equal rights. Some Cypriots opposed Makarios's conciliatory stance, and there would be an unsuccessful attempt to assassinate him in 1970.

In 1967, a military junta seized power in Athens, and the relationship between the regime and Makarios was tense. Makarios held that the regime undermined his authority by supporting EOKA-B, a paramilitary organisation committed to enosis.

In the summer of 1971, tension built up between the two Cypriot communities, and incidents became more numerous. Sometime in the late summer or early autumn, Grivas (who had attacked Makarios as a traitor in an Athens newspaper) returned secretly to the island and began to rebuild his guerrilla organisation, which became known as the National Organization of Cypriot Fighters (Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston B -- EOKA-B). Three new newspapers advocating enosis were also established; all of these activities were funded by the military junta in Greece. The junta probably would have agreed to some form of partition similar to the Acheson Plan to settle the Cyprus question; however it faced rejection by Makarios. The overthrow of Makarios became the primary objective, and the junta backed Grivas toward that end. From hiding, Grivas directed terrorist attacks and propaganda assaults that shook the Makarios government, but the president remained both a powerful and popular leader.

Relations between Nicosia and Athens were at such a low ebb that the colonels of the Greek junta, recognizing that they had Makarios in a perilous position, issued an ultimatum for him to reform his government and rid it of ministers who had been critical of the junta. The colonels, however, had not reckoned with the phenomenal popularity of the archbishop, and once again mass demonstrations proved that Makarios had the people behind him. In the end, however, Makarios bowed to Greek pressure and reshuffled the cabinet.

Another element working against Makarios was the fact that most officers of the Cypriot National Guard were Greek regulars who supported the junta, and they embraced its desire to remove him from office and achieve some degree of enosis. Grivas also continued to be a threat to the archbishop. He remained powerful and to some extent was independent of the junta that had permitted his return to Cyprus. While the Greek colonels were at times prepared to make a deal with Turkey about Cyprus, Grivas was ferociously opposed to any arrangement that did not lead to complete enosis.

In the spring of 1972, Makarios faced an attack from another quarter. The three bishops of the Church of Cyprus demanded that he resign as president, stating that his temporal duties violated canon law. Moving astutely, Markarios foiled the three bishops and had them defrocked in the summer of 1973. Before choosing their replacements, he increased the number of bishoprics to five, thereby reducing the power of individual bishops. For more information see ecclesiastical coup.

As time progressed Grivas' pursuit of enosis through guerilla tactics, became an embarrassment to both the governments of Cyprus and Greece. However, his fame and popularity in both countries prevented his removal. Grivas died of a heart attack on January 27, 1974. Makarios granted his followers an amnesty, hoping that EOKA-B would disappear after the death of its leader. Intra-communal terror continued, however, and the 100,000 mourners who attended Grivas' funeral indicated the enduring popularity of his political aims.

On May 3, 1974, Makarios sent the Greek government a letter that identified certain Greek military officers stationed in Cyprus as undermining the Cypriot government. The Greek regime responded that it would replace the officers in question. In a second letter on July 2, Makarios demanded the withdrawal of all Greek officers in the island. Greek Foreign Minister S. Tetenes suggested, as a compromise, that Makarios personally select the replacement officers from a roster of Greek officers. On July 11, Glafkos Klerides visited Makarios in an unsuccessful attempt to promote a solution as Makarios was adamantly opposed. Finally, in July 15, 1974 the Greek regime sponsored a coup d'etat in Nicosia. Makarios fled and was replaced by Nikos Sampson, a Cypriot newspaper editor and politician.

While addressing the UN Security Council on July 19, 1974, Makarios accused Greece of having invaded Cyprus and of posing a threat to all Cypriots, whether Greek or Turkish Cypriot. Under the terms of the Treaty of Guarantee, Britain, Greece and Turkey were entitled to sanction one, or more of the trio, to intervene militarily with the purpose of restoring peace to the island.

With Orthodox Bishop Viktor Busa, Makarios founded the International Parliament for Safety and Peace in 1975 to address the increasingly uncertain situation in Cyprus. (see [2]and [3]).

At this time the Greek Junta was imploding, and the British government was facing the constitutional uncertainty of a hung parliament; moreover, whilst in London, Makarios lobbied for the British military not intervene as a guarantor power.[2] As is to be expected, the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey on 20 July, five days after the coup, is highly controversial. Northern Cyprus remains occupied by the Turkish Army, despite the constitution and presidency having been restored. To Turks and Turkish Cypriots it is known as a ‘peace operation’, designed to protect the Turkish Cypriot community. To Greeks and Greek Cypriots, it represents the execution of a long-standing ploy to re-establish Turkish control of a large portion of Cyprus. The international consensus, given subsequent resolutions of the United Nations and other international forums, is that Turkey illegally invaded and occupied an independent country.


Bronze statue of Makarios outside the Archbishopic Palace in Nicosia.Nikos Sampson’s presidency was short-lived, as the regime in Athens collapsed only a few days after the Turkish invasion. Unsupported, Sampson fled, and the former constitution was restored. In the continuing absence of a vice-president, the presidency passed to the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Glafkos Klerides. Makarios remained in London for five months; then, having succeeded in securing international recognition that his administration was the rightful government of the whole island, he returned to Cyprus and focused solely on restoring Cypriot territorial integrity. He was not successful, and Turkey has remained as an occupying power ever since, with the situation continuing to be unresolved.


[edit] Death and legacy
Makarios III died unexpectedly, of a heart attack, on August 3, 1977. It has recently emerged that, in order to confirm the cause of death, Makarios’ heart had been removed during an autopsy. The heart has since been preserved in his former bedroom in the Archbishopric[3]. He is buried in a tomb on the mountain of Throni, a site he personally chose. The tomb is near Kykkos Monastery, where he served as a novice in the 1920s and 1930s. To commemorate his life, an imposing bronze statue of Makarios was erected outside the Archbishop's palace in Nicosia.

Makarios remains a controversial figure. Some consider him to be a national hero and an Ethnarch, and there has even been discussion of his canonisation in the Orthodox Church of Cyprus. Others criticise him for abandoning the goal of enosis in favor of independence, as well as for exercising a style of government reminiscent of caesaropapism. He has even been criticised for his speech at the UN Security Council on July 19, 1974, which Turkey used as a pretext for its military invasion of Cyprus.[2]

He is possibly the most significant figure in recent Cypriot politics, and his efforts to secure international consensus on the legitimacy of the Greek Cypriot government after 1974 have provided the backdrop against which the recent political history of the Cyprus Question has been played out.

The Spanish pop act Un Pingüino en mi Ascensor published a song (El Arzobispo Makarios (y su botella de Larios)[4], "Archbishop Makarios (and his bottle of Larios)") in 1999.


[edit] Quotes
“Έλληνες Κύπριοι, νενικήκαμεν!” (“Greek Cypriots, we have won!”) - Makarios, March 1, 1959 following the signing of the London agreement for the independence of Cyprus

“The coup of the Greek junta is an invasion, and from its consequences the whole people of Cyprus suffers, both Greeks and Turks.” - Makarios, July 19, 1974, UN Security Council

“Independence was not the aim of the EOKA struggle. Foreign factors have prevented the achievement of the national goal, but this should not be a cause for sorrow, New bastions have been conquered and from these bastions the Greek Cypriots will march on to complete the final victory.” - Makarios, August 16, 1974

"I'm not dead yet. You missed, bastards!" - Makarios, 1974 radio announcement following the destruction of the presidential palace by the coup forces.[citation needed]
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Postby Eliko » Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:51 am

miltiades, It's so nice to observe you supporting a man with a beard (one of your pet hates), who knows, you may yet embrace the faith of Islam !. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby miltiades » Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:20 am

Eliko wrote:miltiades, It's so nice to observe you supporting a man with a beard (one of your pet hates), who knows, you may yet embrace the faith of Islam !. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Eliko , do not misunderstand " support " with understanding and knowledge.
Makarios WAS the ONLY ethnarch available to the Cypriots during that era. A lot of nonsense was written about him by the fanatical hate mongers on this forum.
As for me embracing Islam or any other false religion , all religions are false since they all worship a non existent creator and kill each other believing that they are doing God's work !!!!! , I dont think so !
As for beards , along with body piercings , mutilations and , here is a new one , hairstyles determined by faith ??? What a bloody joke as if their God declared that hair should be left rather long on both mid sides of the head and adorned by a ridiculous looking hat !!!
How about the nose bloody rings and even worse the tongue ring !
The world is full of plonkers !
Take the Jehovah's Witnesses. They will take alcohol , but will never raise their glass and say cheers , against their religion ! They will participate in Anniversary celebrations but will not wish you a happy new year !
If you ever attend a JW wedding , the elders will remind all that raising a glass and saying cheers is not allowed since it is against Gods will !!
What absolute garbage . And here is another , you can not drive your car wearing shorts or trousers that contain man made fibre !!!!!
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Postby Eliko » Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:49 am

miltiades, I fully agree with your comments, mine was a joke, Best Wishes. :)
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