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[Piratis]

I don't remember insulting you so I really don't understand your above argument against me.

My aim here is not to convince you or anybody else, but to present true facts and my opinion. If you can be convinced or not that depends more on you than me or anybody else.

If you have an open mind and no special interests then I am sure you will accept at least most of my arguments since they are based on the truth and I am trying to be as objective as possible.

[Expatkiwi]

'Truth' is merely an interpretation of 'fact'. Therefore, truth can be very subjective... and very emotional as has been very keenly demonstrated in this forum. So the question is: What are the facts of Cyprus?

[Piratis]

The truth is the fact itself. Personally I always talk with true whole facts. Some others, since they don't have the true facts on their side they choose to talk with half truths, lies and hypothetical scenarios.

[Expatkiwi]

Which you're accusing me of...

[Viewpoint]

I don't remember insulting you so I really don't understand your above argument against me.

My aim here is not to convince you or anybody else, but to present true facts and my opinion. If you can be convinced or not that depends more on you than me or anybody else.

If you have an open mind and no special interests then I am sure you will accept at least most of my arguments since they are based on the truth and I am trying to be as objective as possible.

Who apoointed you judge and jury, you only represnt yourself and your interpretation of the truth, your opinions nothing more nothing less.

[miltiades]

May the murdering man of God rest in pieces.

"...Every time a blind Greek bomb tears innocent Turkish Cypriot children from their mother's arms, I hate Archbishop Makarios. Every time a hail of deliberate Greek bullets kill Turkish Cypriot women and children, I hate Archbishop Makarios. And I have hated this bloodstained man ever since he gave his blessing to that bandy little bandit Grivas and EOKA to shoot down in cold blood our own men and women and children. And now this arch hypocrite is giving his blessing to his young savage dogs of war by calling the Turks 'Barbarians and criminals.' Deliberately he incites racial hatred and promotes religious war with sanctimonious proclamations that 'The Cypriot people are determined to the death for their liberty and the integrity of their country.' And he sits back in his comfy marbled palace well pleased when Nicosia's Greek daily Eleftheria screams; 'If there is to be a world war over Cyprus, let it be soon.'

For nine years, longer than both world wars, he (Makarios) has been responsible for every drop of blood that has been shed on this wretched island. He has been responsible for corruption of youth, the uncontrolled violence of the EOKA thugs and the murder of the innocents. He is responsible for what is happening in Cyprus this very minute. He could, God forbid, be responsible for plunging us all into the abyss of a dreadful world war."

(From the DAILY SKETCH, 10.08.1964)

The foreign correspondent of crap posted the above article attributing this to the Daily Scetch of 1964. May we have he link to this Mr Foreigner , since your ONLY contribution to this forum has been the spreading of hatred and malicious nonsense. On your admission and judging from your posts you do not wish to see a solution to the Cyprus problem other than the Annexation of the internationally recognised occupied part of Cyprus by Turkey.So lets have the link foreigner .

[Get Real!]

Piratis, Why should I continue to debate anything with you on this forum. I just might as well be talking to a brick wall! I asked people on this forum to convince me that my pro-TRNC views are wrong. Instead of straight answers, I'm bearing insults, abuse, and other indignities. You claim to be a sober clear-thinking person on this forum. So I'm asking you to approach me in that manner...

That's based on the assumption that you HAD dignity to begin with mr 31%...

[Nikitas]

Kiwi,

Read the memoirs of Dentkash- how he helped set up TMT, how he and others planted a bomb to start the riots of 1958, which led to slaughter of Greek Cypriots long before the 1963 events. Read about the KIP plan and the appointment of Turkish Army operatives as leaders of TMT in the 50s, to enforce the division of the two communities. Look up the assassinations of Turkish Cypriots who did not toe the separatist line- murder of Turkish Cypriots by TMT in the 50s and 60s, and one as late as 1996.

According to the British UN force commander in 1964 the casualties were about even, he said about 100 on each side. So it seems that each side gave as good as it got, proof that both were prepared to fight and kill and both suffered in what in effect was a civl war.

After you research these facts you will see that division and separation is not something planned and executed by one community. It was a proxy war of the mainland nationalists carried out in Cyprus at the expense of both communities with equal suffering on both sides. Violence abated in 1964 and with the exception of one incident in 1967, things were getting better. In 1974, after the Greek inspired coup Turkey used massive and totally uncalled for force to carry out partition. As Bulent Ecevit commented, if the Greeks had acepted his ultimatum in Vienna on August 14 "we would not have had to carry out Attila II and kill 4500 people" referring to 4500 more than had already been killed. Look it up in the Turkish press Kiwi and read Turkish commentators like Mehmet Ali Birad to see what they say about the Attila operation. After you have done it let us talk about it.

If you take the tack that the situation is totally the responsibility of one side you are not examoing history, you are adopting a partisan point of view that sees partition as the only solution. Are you sure it is, are you really ready to state that two TOTALLY INDEPENDENT states on the island will lead to peace? Have you thought it through in all its ramifications? Is it in line with Turkey's plans for the island? Can you give us here proof that Turkey actually wants two INDPENDENT STATES on Cyprus? Give us the proof of that and we will agree to partition.

Nikitas

[Get Real!]

'Truth' is merely an interpretation of 'fact'. Therefore, truth can be very subjective... and very emotional as has been very keenly demonstrated in this forum. So the question is: What are the facts of Cyprus?

Is that a fact? So how does 12.3% get interpreted into 31% bozo?

[denizaksulu]

Neither will the Greeks, apparently...

The Greeks had a very positive influence to the world in general during their history. Like every other nation they had their dark eras, but fortunately today is not one of those dark times.
With the Turks it is the opposite. Most of their history is a dark era, just with a few bright sports. Unfortunately today they continue in the same ugly way as most of their history. It is time they come out of the middle ages.

I wonder who is 'playing' the fiddle whilest Greece is burning? Just to mention one. You must be joking.