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[Pyrpolizer]

No please Zan, I would really like to see it, because we all form images in our minds about the people we read about and often it is much different than reality of course. That's why I'm against putting pictures on the forum, which would take away one's fantasy images of others.

I like the idea. Here are some scenes in my imagination about forum members. VP, Kikapu, Eric, Murataga, Karma & GG, Birkibrisli, Get Real (in random order)
















All you have to do now is spot which image is for Birkibisli.

[humanist]

Kikapu

I believe this is good for all Cypriots, that everyone can be owners of the whole island once again and not just a part of it, as in the case of a Partition. We can achieve this with a True Federation states that the TC's can still be a majority in the North.

Kikapu a great precise post above. Calls it for what it is.

Do you really believe though that in a Cyprus of two states within a federal government structure, TC's will still be the majority in the north, I doubt it my friend. Lemesos and Paphos are bursting at the sims with land values as high as a kite. All those TC's who have land in the south and lots of it, am sure will move back and claim their properties don't you think. Why would someone choose to live in te north, in a GC refugee home when they can move to Lemesos, live in their own hme sell one of their plots and probably have enough to retire on. Same with Paphos.


That is not to say that I am pro north state to have that opportunity, however I personally do not see it as a long term vision for Cyprus or its people. It is still divided along ethnic lines. Unfortunately neither Talat, Papadopoulos, Zan or VP are visionary enough to see that they have responsibilyt to the future generations of Cypriots to act today to save them from the same fate this generation has faced.

A trully visionary leader will be pushing for Cypriot people one people one identity one Island nation with the freedoms to move and settle in a truly democratic nation.

This issue aside, I do believe that Papadopoulos and the Church of Cyprus are doing a lot less that can be done on solving this issue. If Talat will accet it am sure there is enough Church land in the north to exchange it with TC owned land in the south, so why not cut a deal that refugees are given the right of return to their property, TC's get Church land in exchnge for their property in the south of equivalent proportion and take this country to the next step of a united Cyprus under a True Federal system such as that of Germany, US and Australia to mention oa few. If land is the sticking point why not push the church aside and take some positive action? The RoC is also to blame on the staleeta as they are not doing enough. And they need to be. Some of us want to return and live in our homeland withought having to be conscripted in the school that teaches you to take lives.

[humanist]

I cannot decide between the angel rising form the water or the one below. Bir I hope you forgive me btw see you in Cyprus re tsiako.

[Pyrpolizer]

Ok so far we spotted Birkibrisli and Erika. But who is VP and where is zan??

[Pyrpolizer]

Humanist,

nobody has to move to where he owns land in order to OWN it. So i don't see why a TC who has a lot of land in Limassol has to move back to get it back. The same goes for the GC refugees. Ownership is ownership nobody can take that away from anyone.
A federal solution will mean the Northern part will be mainly inhabited by TCs.

[Get Real!]

[img]All you have to do now is spot which image is for Birkibisli.

Eric Dayi is a dead giveaway...

[denizaksulu]

First GC to mention partition in Cyprus was Loucas Charalambous. Now it's
Matsakis (spelling??), rumour has it that TPapskiller and the Church has been considering this option as well.

Next, more prominent GCs will stand up and admit partition is the best solution in Cyprus.

Some Greek Cypriots living in Greek South Cyprus also prefer partition instead of unifying and sharing power with us TC because of their hate of anything Turkish.

Looks like the GCs are slowly getting used to the idea that partition is inevitable.

Partition Is The Solution We Deserve

By Loucas Charalambous

Ref: 30 January, 2005 CYPRUS MAIL

IN AN ARTICLE published in Athens newspaper Ta Nea, Alexis Heraclides, a lecturer at Greece's Pantion University, arrives at the following conclusion: "The Cyprus problem cannot be solved and will not be solved as long as the majority of Greek Cypriots are not in a position to comprehend the level of their responsibility for the situation in Cyprus up to the fait accompli of 1974. And this is, I would say, the deeper meaning of the 'resounding no' of April 24, 2004 they said no because they cannot yet face up to their guilt for that period." I disagree that this was the reason we rejected the settlement last April, but I will agree with Heraclides' point that Greek Cypriots are in no position to comprehend their responsibilities the responsibilities of their leadership, to be more precise for the situation before 1974. When they discuss the Cyprus problem, they always start from the premise that the Turks are to blame for everything. Our guys are the innocent virgins. This column has on countless occasions pointed out the horrific responsibilities of our leadership. These responsibilities can be seen in the violent dissolution of the state established by the Zurich agreement three years earlier, with the aim of terminating the participation of the Turkish Cypriots. That Tassos Papadopoulos one of the protagonists of this depressing story, which led to all the misfortunes that have followed since then is today the president of the Republic, thanks to the vote of the Greek Cypriots, is the most conclusive proof of their inability to recognise the responsibilities that Heraclides correctly talks about. In a country with a politically mature people, Papadopoulos and the other instigators of the bloody events of 1963 would have been finished as politicians. No mature people would have elected as their president, with the main responsibility of solving the national problem, one of the men who had been instrumental in creating it. The uproar, which was sparked the previous week by the views expressed by the General Secretary of the United Democrats, Costas Themistocleous, about the absurd term, 'pseudo-state', which the politicians and media insist on using, perfectly illustrates our political immaturity. Themistocleous had said he disagreed with the use of the prefix 'pseudo' for everything relating to the occupation regime, and preferred the terms 'illegal regime' or 'unrecognised regime', provoking a storm of protest. These idiotic word-games betray the politicians' inability to approach the problem with any seriousness. Paranoia has taken grip placing the 'pseudo' prefix in front of every word relating to the Turkish Cypriots and their regime has come to be considered national policy. And we are under the illusion that this pitiful practice is an adequate way of tackling the national problem. I would take Heraclides' views a step further, to their logical conclusion. The Cyprus problem has already been solved. A gullible population, thanks to the guidance of Papadopoulos and Christofias, supported by the political lightweights governing Greece since last March, has already chosen partition. This will inexorably lead to the creation of two states, along today's dividing line. No matter how repugnant, I personally consider that, in the end, such a solution is the one that our behaviour deserves. And it will prove our just punishment.


Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2005

I know of NO GC WHO buys the Cyprus Mail. This newspaper is British controlled and addresses the British and other foreigners living in Cyprus. Unfortunately is the only English newspaper in the government controlled areas, hence a monopoly. The British were always undermining the GCs and it seems the scope of that newspaper is to influence the British who live here and the GC expats who don't know enough Greek to read anything else.
So be sure whatever that newspaper intends, exactly the opposite is valid for the GCs.

Pyro, I understand what you are saying about the yprus Mail. If true, it is unfortunate, that no other (GC) paper is published in English. I thik somebody should give a kick up the backside to make translations of articles into English. This already happens in the North. I am sure GC s with a poor command of greek would also appreciate this. I certainly would.

[humanist]

Pyr, I hear what you are saying....... some compromise migt have to take place.

I have just watched the videos posted by Mills and I think from that Turkey has no intention of letting go of Cyprus. To this end it would be a test to see even tif they go for something like this.

I have never hated anyone as much as I hate talat after that interview. The arogance of the man denying the fact that there are refugees in Cyprus and his arigance that they do not deserve to have their properties back is a sickening. His coments about they have all been rehabilitated or something shows a total disrespect for human life. Do I want to live in a country where power is shared with this scam bag. NO frigin way. Let the status quo be.

[Viewpoint]

Pyr, I hear what you are saying....... some compromise migt have to take place.

I have just watched the videos posted by Mills and I think from that Turkey has no intention of letting go of Cyprus. To this end it would be a test to see even tif they go for something like this.

I have never hated anyone as much as I hate talat after that interview. The arogance of the man denying the fact that there are refugees in Cyprus and his arigance that they do not deserve to have their properties back is a sickening. His coments about they have all been rehabilitated or something shows a total disrespect for human life. Do I want to live in a country where power is shared with this scam bag. NO frigin way. Let the status quo be.

The same goes in reverse we are also sickened by your big nosed ex eoka Turk hater Papadop and woudl never unite with him in a federal structure even if he was the toilet cleaner.

[denizaksulu]

Pyr, I hear what you are saying....... some compromise migt have to take place.

I have just watched the videos posted by Mills and I think from that Turkey has no intention of letting go of Cyprus. To this end it would be a test to see even tif they go for something like this.

I have never hated anyone as much as I hate talat after that interview. The arogance of the man denying the fact that there are refugees in Cyprus and his arigance that they do not deserve to have their properties back is a sickening. His coments about they have all been rehabilitated or something shows a total disrespect for human life. Do I want to live in a country where power is shared with this scam bag. NO frigin way. Let the status quo be.

I cannot support such men. Its all wrong.