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[BirKibrisli]

Well...I was in Cyprus between 1963-69,and old enough to remember well how things were. First,let me say this...the 3% area size is total bullshit. While hundreds of villages had to be evacuated for security reasons most went and joined neighbouring villages,or moved to the nearest town of city with a sizeable TC population...There is no way to quantify how much of Cyprus was under TC control. I was in Nicosia which was the largest enclave,and probably the safest.

The coup was considered intially as an internal event between the GCs.Denktash even went on the radio to speak to the TCs and appeal for calm,saying this does not concern us...But withing days he had changed his tune and called it an attempt to bring about Enosis etc...

But ,Boomers,the answer to your question is this"\:the TCs were very much in survival mode between 1963-74...They couldn't help anyone even if they wanted to.And given the political and the siege mentality situation,as far as the TCs were concerned two of their enemies were fighting each other,and the outcome was not clear. They were far too concerned about their own safety to even think about doing anything proactive in that situation...In any case Makarios was considered as the Public Enemy No 1...And I am sure many TCs were not too displeased that he was in dire straights...

[boomerang]

you will wait for ver until turkey does what she thinks is good for her 70 million people and not you or i will stand in the way. you can bet on this one.


what you say you want proof? gul already told you to forget the annan plan, its only a reference now. straight form the horses mouth.

the siege as you call it will be there for a long time to come so sit down put your feet up and relax.

NO ONE will take you seriuosly as long as you are sitting on ethnically cleansed property. look turkey and ecevit were so clever they invaded, and got stuck with firstly with UN resolutions that cannot be turned over, and now turkey has the echr and the eu crawling up turkeys ass.

i say we will see.

[zan]

you will wait for ver until turkey does what she thinks is good for her 70 million people and not you or i will stand in the way. you can bet on this one.


what you say you want proof? gul already told you to forget the annan plan, its only a reference now. straight form the horses mouth.

the siege as you call it will be there for a long time to come so sit down put your feet up and relax.

NO ONE will take you seriuosly as long as you are sitting on ethnically cleansed property. look turkey and ecevit were so clever they invaded, and got stuck with firstly with UN resolutions that cannot be turned over, and now turkey has the echr and the eu crawling up turkeys ass.

i say we will see.

And the winner is

[boomerang]

the cypriot people zan

[zan]

the cypriot people zan

Call one up to accept the prize...Be sure to tell him to keep his head down and watch for fast moving objects from both sides.....

[humanist]

boom's according to some members on this forum there are no Cypriot people.

there Greeks and there are Turks but we cannot be Cypriots

[Kikapu]

Through out history, great Empires fell like dominoes because of events that happened that they themselves may or may not have seen it coming. Cyprus is another one of those examples where the GC's and the TC's had their own ideas about how to take control of the island, then in 1974, with Turkey's help, the cast was set from then on to divide the island into two. But history was yet to be written on the final outcome for the island. What possible changes could happen, that will alter the course of history for Cyprus. Well, I'm here to tell you, that the course of history did take a turn in 2004 when the RoC became a member state of the EU. It is this action alone, that will once again bring stability to the Cypriots as well as keep Turkey at bay, despite her Military Might, because Turkey also never envision that anything can stand in it's way. Who would have thought, that the RoC would ever become a EU member that will also become a thorn at Turkey's side. It is only a question of time, but the course of history has already taken a different course and will lead to our "new history" than the one that was set from the days of 1960's, 1963, and 1974.

Well done Kiks....You should have been a Philosopher

How about a fortune cookie writer

Breaks open fortune cookie: " The future will be different from the past".....Goes into deep thought mode.....



Now back to reality........

You were let into the EU for completely different reasons than you think you did. As I have said before........You are in the EU because that can give the EU greater control over you.....Just wait until they make a demand that you do not want and we will see....It also gives stability to the area and stops you balling your eyes out and pretending to the world that Turkey is a threat...It is no longer a threat and therefore downgraded from condition red You and the "RoC" have been controlled for your intransigent behaviour...Wake up son and smell the Turkish Coffee.....

Welcome back Zan,

I don't know what it is about you lately, but when ever you make a post to me, I can't help but have this image of you in my mind, as to the way you are feeling at the time you are making your post.

Here, take a look.









But then reality sets in with me and I start getting angry with myself for having those images of you, so once again, your true images starts to flourish in my mind, which is how I always see you, in your "out of shape and screaming self" with your hands on your head running away from your fears, and then I start taking comfort once again, that our True Zan has once again returned to us.

Here, take a look.






I'll answer you above post later.

[zan]

The picture I have of you is far too rude and personal to post here Kiks .......


I think you are also taking the role of Forum jester and satirists a little too seriously


Think about the above before giving me a reply.........

[Kikapu]

The picture I have of you is far too rude and personal to post here Kiks .......


I think you are also taking the role of Forum jester and satirists a little too seriously


Think about the above before giving me a reply.........

No please Zan, I would really like to see it, because we all form images in our minds about the people we read about and often it is much different than reality of course. That's why I'm against putting pictures on the forum, which would take away one's fantasy images of others. I also have images of most other members here, so you are not alone. But with you, I really get the impression most of the time, that you are just screaming in a panic to get your points across, when in fact, a simple gently conversation will do.

Now let me answer your questions regarding this.

You were let into the EU for completely different reasons than you think you did. As I have said before........You are in the EU because that can give the EU greater control over you.....Just wait until they make a demand that you do not want and we will see....It also gives stability to the area and stops you balling your eyes out and pretending to the world that Turkey is a threat...It is no longer a threat and therefore downgraded from condition red You and the "RoC" have been controlled for your intransigent behaviour...Wake up son and smell the Turkish Coffee.....

It does not make any difference as to the reasons on how the RoC got in the EU. That was not my subject. The point is, the RoC is in the EU and will remain in the EU and as long as they are in the EU, they will be a thorn in Turkeys side, regarding the outcome of the situation in Cyprus. I'm only talking about the event that has already happened in 2004 that has taken a turn to alter the course for the future of the island from the future others envisaged in 1960, 1963 and 1974. All those events in the past are now a just a side note in our history, because the events of 2004 has changed all that. The only way it would be relevant, if Turkey does in fact decides to forget about the EU, but as we witnessed what Gül said the other day, that it is Turkey's desires to enter the EU. Now, if you want to disagree with what I've said, then you tell me how else Turkey is going to get to where she wants to go with the EU, without having to compromise on Cyprus. I see this as an opportunity to establish a "New Cyprus" for all Cypriots, but unfortunately, this idea is scaring the Partitionist into panic. Only Turkey can alter the path of "New Cyprus's" path set by the 2004 EU entry by the RoC. Turkey can keep what ever she is holding in the North and settle for her place as a major player in Asia, or take her place as a main player in Greater Europe by relinquishing her interest in the North. No body needs to come out of all this as losers, on the contrary, as winners.

[Kikapu]

Through out history, great Empires fell like dominoes because of events that happened that they themselves may or may not have seen it coming. Cyprus is another one of those examples where the GC's and the TC's had their own ideas about how to take control of the island, then in 1974, with Turkey's help, the cast was set from then on to divide the island into two. But history was yet to be written on the final outcome for the island. What possible changes could happen, that will alter the course of history for Cyprus. Well, I'm here to tell you, that the course of history did take a turn in 2004 when the RoC became a member state of the EU. It is this action alone, that will once again bring stability to the Cypriots as well as keep Turkey at bay, despite her Military Might, because Turkey also never envision that anything can stand in it's way. Who would have thought, that the RoC would ever become a EU member that will also become a thorn at Turkey's side. It is only a question of time, but the course of history has already taken a different course and will lead to our "new history" than the one that was set from the days of 1960's, 1963, and 1974.

You are mistaken my friend. The island had been divided into two as soon as the GCs started fighting for ENOSIS, which was long before any Turkish soldier stepped foot on the island. As a further matter of fact it had never been "one" - for you are confusing "getting along" with "being one". When ENOSIS was denied by the U.N. to the GCs for obvious human rights and factual reasons, an agreement had been made for a partnership state. Unfortunately, the GCs saw this as a stepping stone for ENOSIS and tried to take advantage of the situation only three years after. The rest is self-evident. So even a synthetic unification of the two communities evaporated - and has never been reestablished.

The GCs have usurped a partnership state and they have been reaping the rewards for their theft for 44 years. It was and is in the political interets of some that this be the outcome. However, no one should forget that:

1) Interets make politics, and politics are seldom a static entity. Today the GCs have the political intetersts of others at their side. That is the only basis for their monopolic "legitimate" standing in the international arena. Their monopoly is shifting at a pace they are too afraid to acknowledge.

2) We, the TCs, are extemely dedicated people and have been courageously standing in the way of ENOSIS and the Hellenization of this island. Despite the collective punishment of a harsh ambargo we have been put under (not since 1974, not since 1983, but since 1963), and the murders and enclavement that we had to endure, we are standing tall. We have our own sovereign country recognized by one of the major powers in this part of the world. We have established a GDP of over 10000$ (above Bulgaria and Romania that just made the EU), and we are flourishing by the day.

Make no mistake about it: We will prevail.

Murataga,

With all due respect to you, even if you were 100% accurate in what you have written above (which you are not ), it does not take away from what I'm talking about. Point is, what's done in the past is done , but then came the 2004 and the EU and the RoC was in it. This is now the point of focus as far as the new course set for Cyprus's future history. All this would be irrelevant if Turkey had no desires to join the EU, but the truth is, she does want to join so it is no use pretending, that 2004 has had no effect for the change of course for Cyprus, from the years of 1960, 1963 and 1974. All those events are now already in the history books, but the event of 2004 has not been written yet, because the future is still taking shape, and as soon as Turkey accepts what she needs to do in order to secure her place in the EU Club, then it will be clearer to everyone else. I believe this is good for all Cypriots, that everyone can be owners of the whole island once again and not just a part of it, as in the case of a Partition. We can achieve this with a True Federation states that the TC's can still be a majority in the North.