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"What we learn from History is that we do not learn from History"''said some wiseman whose name escapes me at the moment...

Just look back over the past 3000 years of Cypriot history...And tell me which occupying power got to rule forever???Cypriot people are great survivors,and they will survive their most recent occupiers as well...That is as sure as night follows day...It is only a matter of time...Cyprus will again belong to her people,the Cypriots...

Unfortunately Bir you will be long gone and there is a high risk that nothing will change.

True enough that I will be gone,VP...But don't fool yourself,nothing remains the same in the long run...Where is the mighty Roman Empire now? The Bryzantine??? The Ottoman??? The USSR????

But as long as the world is here,Cyprus and Cypriots will remain...
Nothing more certain than that...And there will not be any sign of Partition anywhere...

Divided or not what matters is what happened in your life time not after, do you think when those Roman warriors died they cared what will happen in 2007? Its important for me now and my immediate future not 200 300 years down the line let them deal with it like they left me to deal with the Cyprus issue.

[boomerang]

partition will bring war sooner or later. it is simple as that.

the partitionists are willing to gamble everything away.

[Kikapu]

"What we learn from History is that we do not learn from History"''said some wiseman whose name escapes me at the moment...

Just look back over the past 3000 years of Cypriot history...And tell me which occupying power got to rule forever???Cypriot people are great survivors,and they will survive their most recent occupiers as well...That is as sure as night follows day...It is only a matter of time...Cyprus will again belong to her people,the Cypriots...

Unfortunately Bir you will be long gone and there is a high risk that nothing will change.

True enough that I will be gone,VP...But don't fool yourself,nothing remains the same in the long run...Where is the mighty Roman Empire now? The Bryzantine??? The Ottoman??? The USSR????

But as long as the world is here,Cyprus and Cypriots will remain...
Nothing more certain than that...And there will not be any sign of Partition anywhere...

Divided or not what matters is what happened in your life time not after, do you think when those Roman warriors died they cared what will happen in 2007? Its important for me now and my immediate future not 200 300 years down the line let them deal with it like they left me to deal with the Cyprus issue.

Through out history, great Empires fell like dominoes because of events that happened that they themselves may or may not have seen it coming. Cyprus is another one of those examples where the GC's and the TC's had their own ideas about how to take control of the island, then in 1974, with Turkey's help, the cast was set from then on to divide the island into two. But history was yet to be written on the final outcome for the island. What possible changes could happen, that will alter the course of history for Cyprus. Well, I'm here to tell you, that the course of history did take a turn in 2004 when the RoC became a member state of the EU. It is this action alone, that will once again bring stability to the Cypriots as well as keep Turkey at bay, despite her Military Might, because Turkey also never envision that anything can stand in it's way. Who would have thought, that the RoC would ever become a EU member that will also become a thorn at Turkey's side. It is only a question of time, but the course of history has already taken a different course and will lead to our "new history" than the one that was set from the days of 1960's, 1963, and 1974.

[DT.]

"What we learn from History is that we do not learn from History"''said some wiseman whose name escapes me at the moment...

Just look back over the past 3000 years of Cypriot history...And tell me which occupying power got to rule forever???Cypriot people are great survivors,and they will survive their most recent occupiers as well...That is as sure as night follows day...It is only a matter of time...Cyprus will again belong to her people,the Cypriots...

Unfortunately Bir you will be long gone and there is a high risk that nothing will change.

True enough that I will be gone,VP...But don't fool yourself,nothing remains the same in the long run...Where is the mighty Roman Empire now? The Bryzantine??? The Ottoman??? The USSR????

But as long as the world is here,Cyprus and Cypriots will remain...
Nothing more certain than that...And there will not be any sign of Partition anywhere...

Divided or not what matters is what happened in your life time not after, do you think when those Roman warriors died they cared what will happen in 2007? Its important for me now and my immediate future not 200 300 years down the line let them deal with it like they left me to deal with the Cyprus issue.

Through out history, great Empires fell like dominoes because of events that happened that they themselves may or may not have seen it coming. Cyprus is another one of those examples where the GC's and the TC's had their own ideas about how to take control of the island, then in 1974, with Turkey's help, the cast was set from then on to divide the island into two. But history was yet to be written on the final outcome for the island. What possible changes could happen, that will alter the course of history for Cyprus. Well, I'm here to tell you, that the course of history did take a turn in 2004 when the RoC became a member state of the EU. It is this action alone, that will once again bring stability to the Cypriots as well as keep Turkey at bay, despite her Military Might, because Turkey also never envision that anything can stand in it's way. Who would have thought, that the RoC would ever become a EU member that will also become a thorn at Turkey's side. It is only a question of time, but the course of history has already taken a different course and will lead to our "new history" than the one that was set from the days of 1960's, 1963, and 1974.

inshallah

[humanist]

Inshalla theemou tzie panayia mou

[zan]

"What we learn from History is that we do not learn from History"''said some wiseman whose name escapes me at the moment...

Just look back over the past 3000 years of Cypriot history...And tell me which occupying power got to rule forever???Cypriot people are great survivors,and they will survive their most recent occupiers as well...That is as sure as night follows day...It is only a matter of time...Cyprus will again belong to her people,the Cypriots...

Unfortunately Bir you will be long gone and there is a high risk that nothing will change.

True enough that I will be gone,VP...But don't fool yourself,nothing remains the same in the long run...Where is the mighty Roman Empire now? The Bryzantine??? The Ottoman??? The USSR????

But as long as the world is here,Cyprus and Cypriots will remain...
Nothing more certain than that...And there will not be any sign of Partition anywhere...

Divided or not what matters is what happened in your life time not after, do you think when those Roman warriors died they cared what will happen in 2007? Its important for me now and my immediate future not 200 300 years down the line let them deal with it like they left me to deal with the Cyprus issue.

Through out history, great Empires fell like dominoes because of events that happened that they themselves may or may not have seen it coming. Cyprus is another one of those examples where the GC's and the TC's had their own ideas about how to take control of the island, then in 1974, with Turkey's help, the cast was set from then on to divide the island into two. But history was yet to be written on the final outcome for the island. What possible changes could happen, that will alter the course of history for Cyprus. Well, I'm here to tell you, that the course of history did take a turn in 2004 when the RoC became a member state of the EU. It is this action alone, that will once again bring stability to the Cypriots as well as keep Turkey at bay, despite her Military Might, because Turkey also never envision that anything can stand in it's way. Who would have thought, that the RoC would ever become a EU member that will also become a thorn at Turkey's side. It is only a question of time, but the course of history has already taken a different course and will lead to our "new history" than the one that was set from the days of 1960's, 1963, and 1974.

Well done Kiks....You should have been a Philosopher

How about a fortune cookie writer

Breaks open fortune cookie: " The future will be different from the past".....Goes into deep thought mode.....



Now back to reality........

You were let into the EU for completely different reasons than you think you did. As I have said before........You are in the EU because that can give the EU greater control over you.....Just wait until they make a demand that you do not want and we will see....It also gives stability to the area and stops you balling your eyes out and pretending to the world that Turkey is a threat...It is no longer a threat and therefore downgraded from condition red You and the "RoC" have been controlled for your intransigent behaviour...Wake up son and smell the Turkish Coffee.....

[boomerang]

the treat was step one, liberation is to follow.

we just giving you some breathing space to get used to it. i think turkey is slowly and surely coming around.

even gul said while holidaying in the open jail the annan plan can only be used as a reference after saying he wll travel the world to promote the open jail. anything happened. your leaders sad there took the slap on the chin. how does it feel getting a backhander zan?

just remember you can't leave 70 million people in the cold. you ungrateful sod. sooner or later it will catch up.

the problem that i forsee is that the RoC needs to be stocked up on prozac. they will come in need.

what kikapu is saying is correct. ecevit took part of cyprus away, callaghan said 33 years ago, the RoC is hostage to turkey, but one day turkey will be hostage to the RoC. how true that was. i bet you called him a stupid senile fool then, didn't you zan?

[zan]

the treat was step one, liberation is to follow.

we just giving you some breathing space to get used to it. i think turkey is slowly and surely coming around.

even gul said while holidaying in the open jail the annan plan can only be used as a reference after saying he wll travel the world to promote the open jail. anything happened. your leaders sad there took the slap on the chin. how does it feel getting a backhander zan?

just remember you can't leave 70 million people in the cold. you ungrateful sod. sooner or later it will catch up.

the problem that i forsee is that the RoC needs to be stocked up on prozac. they will come in need.

what kikapu is saying is correct. ecevit took part of cyprus away, callaghan said 33 years ago, the RoC is hostage to turkey, but one day turkey will be hostage to the RoC. how true that was. i bet you called him a stupid senile fool then, didn't you zan?

I think you will find that Your Makarios and the EOKA thugs pushed us into a 37% corner of our own country mate and until you guys accept that then nothing will happen...Simple as that...Make war noises as much as you like but the EU will not allow a war on its doorstep...Just because you are GREEK does not give you special rights regarding that....As for Turkey...Don't worry about her...She is doing just fine and will become one of the main countries in Europe. Scary isn't it.......

[Murataga]

"What we learn from History is that we do not learn from History"''said some wiseman whose name escapes me at the moment...

Just look back over the past 3000 years of Cypriot history...And tell me which occupying power got to rule forever???Cypriot people are great survivors,and they will survive their most recent occupiers as well...That is as sure as night follows day...It is only a matter of time...Cyprus will again belong to her people,the Cypriots...

Unfortunately Bir you will be long gone and there is a high risk that nothing will change.

True enough that I will be gone,VP...But don't fool yourself,nothing remains the same in the long run...Where is the mighty Roman Empire now? The Bryzantine??? The Ottoman??? The USSR????

But as long as the world is here,Cyprus and Cypriots will remain...
Nothing more certain than that...And there will not be any sign of Partition anywhere...

Divided or not what matters is what happened in your life time not after, do you think when those Roman warriors died they cared what will happen in 2007? Its important for me now and my immediate future not 200 300 years down the line let them deal with it like they left me to deal with the Cyprus issue.

Through out history, great Empires fell like dominoes because of events that happened that they themselves may or may not have seen it coming. Cyprus is another one of those examples where the GC's and the TC's had their own ideas about how to take control of the island, then in 1974, with Turkey's help, the cast was set from then on to divide the island into two. But history was yet to be written on the final outcome for the island. What possible changes could happen, that will alter the course of history for Cyprus. Well, I'm here to tell you, that the course of history did take a turn in 2004 when the RoC became a member state of the EU. It is this action alone, that will once again bring stability to the Cypriots as well as keep Turkey at bay, despite her Military Might, because Turkey also never envision that anything can stand in it's way. Who would have thought, that the RoC would ever become a EU member that will also become a thorn at Turkey's side. It is only a question of time, but the course of history has already taken a different course and will lead to our "new history" than the one that was set from the days of 1960's, 1963, and 1974.

You are mistaken my friend. The island had been divided into two as soon as the GCs started fighting for ENOSIS, which was long before any Turkish soldier stepped foot on the island. As a further matter of fact it had never been "one" - for you are confusing "getting along" with "being one". When ENOSIS was denied by the U.N. to the GCs for obvious human rights and factual reasons, an agreement had been made for a partnership state. Unfortunately, the GCs saw this as a stepping stone for ENOSIS and tried to take advantage of the situation only three years after. The rest is self-evident. So even a synthetic unification of the two communities evaporated - and has never been reestablished.

The GCs have usurped a partnership state and they have been reaping the rewards for their theft for 44 years. It was and is in the political interets of some that this be the outcome. However, no one should forget that:

1) Interets make politics, and politics are seldom a static entity. Today the GCs have the political intetersts of others at their side. That is the only basis for their monopolic "legitimate" standing in the international arena. Their monopoly is shifting at a pace they are too afraid to acknowledge.

2) We, the TCs, are extemely dedicated people and have been courageously standing in the way of ENOSIS and the Hellenization of this island. Despite the collective punishment of a harsh ambargo we have been put under (not since 1974, not since 1983, but since 1963), and the murders and enclavement that we had to endure, we are standing tall. We have our own sovereign country recognized by one of the major powers in this part of the world. We have established a GDP of over 10000$ (above Bulgaria and Romania that just made the EU), and we are flourishing by the day.

Make no mistake about it: We will prevail.

[boomerang]

the treat was step one, liberation is to follow.

we just giving you some breathing space to get used to it. i think turkey is slowly and surely coming around.

even gul said while holidaying in the open jail the annan plan can only be used as a reference after saying he wll travel the world to promote the open jail. anything happened. your leaders sad there took the slap on the chin. how does it feel getting a backhander zan?

just remember you can't leave 70 million people in the cold. you ungrateful sod. sooner or later it will catch up.

the problem that i forsee is that the RoC needs to be stocked up on prozac. they will come in need.

what kikapu is saying is correct. ecevit took part of cyprus away, callaghan said 33 years ago, the RoC is hostage to turkey, but one day turkey will be hostage to the RoC. how true that was. i bet you called him a stupid senile fool then, didn't you zan?

I think you will find that Your Makarios and the EOKA thugs pushed us into a 37% corner of our own country mate and until you guys accept that then nothing will happen...Simple as that...Make war noises as much as you like but the EU will not allow a war on its doorstep...Just because you are GREEK does not give you special rights regarding that....As for Turkey...Don't worry about her...She is doing just fine and will become one of the main countries in Europe. Scary isn't it.......

its good to dream zan. but then you wake up. take for example the RoC joining the EU. turkey made noises, annexation and bullshit. but she realised she annexex the place and she is a goner.

and soon after accession, turkey finally understood what it means.

and zan the eoka b, and get this right with confusion, was not many people, this eveident they way it fizzled out with the resistance to enosis.

in my opinion the tcs lost out here coz if they joined the the fight against the coupists today they would ave been enjoying the fruits of their labour. instead they are moaning and groaning and everyone knows about ethnic cleansing. refer to ECHR and UN rulings.

you must get it in your head, no one is gonna endorse anything build on ethnic cleansing. regardless what the past says.