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[Viewpoint]

VP WROTE:
You are a GC who appears on the surface to like TCs but if you were to have to choose between the GC point of view and the TCs point of view you would sell us out in the blink of an eye and for me that is the most dangerous type of Cypriots there is, at least I am honest and upfront and say what I what ı accept and do not accept you are the one who is a walking time bomb that can explode int he face of TCs when you least expect it.
Again your interpreting my words and actions with a sinuous agenda.

I call it as I see it, nothing more nothing less...for me you are the danger as people like Kifeas and Piratis declare their intentions towards our community but you are a concealed bomb waiting to explode.

It goes to show how totally misguided you are.
Just read what Bir says , you may begin to understand .

Do you know the story about the GC who would stand on TC friends shadow, ask bir to tell you.

[Get Real!]

When I moved to the TRNC and started to understand the intricacies of the situation

...with heaps and heaps of land, my mind changed in a jiffy. now i want partition because i want to keep all the land that was given to me.

is it so hard for everyone to understand?

Land is not very high on my list of priorities, political equality and security are more important for me.

Seeing that "political equality" is you motto, here's something (actually plenty) for you to contemplate...

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/equality/

[growuptcs]

Viewpoint, just imagine that you lived next to a neighbor that all he does is complain about the traffic laws in all your conversations that you have with him every time you see him. The neighbor doesn't even own a car, and hasn't drove in 33 years. Would you still want to make any decent conversation with him or avoid him because anything you say doesn't matter anyway? Moral of the story is VP, is that your that annoying neighbor who swears his feelings comes before everyone else who drives and appreciates the luxury of driving.

[Viewpoint]

Come on,Phoenix...You are not off the hook yet...

I have often expressed my empathy for the plight of the GCs in Cyprus.
And I see no point in trying to compare injustices...Because each injustice is a crime against humanity,and each hurts equally no matter the numbers involved...

You are still to come up with some examples of injustices done to the TCs by the GCs in Cyprus since 1960s...Put your thinking cap on and try to show us you are capable of seeing the "enemy" as feeling, hurting human beings just like yourself...Your reward will come in this world... I am all ears and eyes...

Each injustice is a crime even though Stalin declared "One death is a tragedy, a thousand deaths, a statistic". And Cyprus is riddled with statistics.
My resistance to empathy with the TCs comes from this small fact. Because we never asked the Turks (Ottomans, whatever) to invade us, or to stay, any consequential actions or reactions by the GCs are legitimate if they serve the purpose to remove the invaders. It's a natural reaction to restore order.

Because of our disproportionate differences in numbers . . we have found it particularly difficult to extricate this enemy.

And that's the crux, Bir. Turkey and it's people are my enemies, the GCs enemies. They will always be, unless they can relinquish ANY claim to power they have in the running of my country and allow themselves to assimilate into the unique culture that is Cyprus. To keep fighting with us for power, to keep making us feel guilty for wanting what is naturally ours is a BIG wrong, a CRIME.

So I harden against Turkey and the TCs because I want my country back and if TCs want to stay, great, BUT unashamedly on our terms.

Birkibrisli, you sound like a nice man and there are many nice TCs but my country folk come first and unless you allow us this one thing, to run our own country in our own way, with you along or not, then you are not with us. You are against us and our sovereignty.

Turkey is my ENEMY . . and I want it OUT of my country. Turkey has ruined the lives of so many of my people I should not be forced to empathise with it or the TCs . . . . it would be like asking a mother to empathise with her child's murderer. Unnecessary and quite wrong.

I will live my life in the hope that we can find a solution to removing the Turks from Cyprus.

Thank you for being so honest and open, where does your emapthy philosphy sand now bir and miltiades?? This person has been honest and displayed exactly what we have been saying all along, showing the courage of what the majority of GCs think but do not voice. You are deluding yourselves and trying to to drag us towards a very dangerous situation just listen to what is being said "Birkibrisli, you sound like a nice man and there are many nice TCs but my country folk come first and unless you allow us this one thing, to run our own country in our own way, with you along or not, then you are not with us. You are against us and our sovereignty".

This is all the evidence you need to reconfirm what we have been saying all along and what Talat has realized after coming to power that you cannot agree a compromised solution as GCs will not compromise and will only agree to their own demands nothing less, you can go whistle in the wind the best deal you are ever going to get is what you have to day.You to will realize this in time and its a gradual process, living here in the TRNc just accelerates that process.

[74LB]

So I harden against Turkey and the TCs because I want my country back and if TCs want to stay, great, BUT unashamedly on our terms.

Birkibrisli, you sound like a nice man and there are many nice TCs but my country folk come first and unless you allow us this one thing, to run our own country in our own way, with you along or not, then you are not with us. You are against us and our sovereignty.

Phoenix
But don't you understand that those views I highlighted in your post will add credence to the TC view that we have no place in your united RoC ?
Heaven knows what the future holds for TC's once the Turkish army leaves if you want to run the country "your way" "your terms", period.

That's based on the assumption that Phoenix's way is bad. You might first want to ask for details of the "way" before passing judgement.

Oh come on, you can see the way it is written and it is clear enough to me. Phoenix may have time now to reconsider what he really meant by "his way" "his terms" " but I know what I have read (as have other since his post).

[miltiades]

Phoenix is no more Representative of the average G/C any more than Eric , or even VP.
I deplore his views and condemn his approach to the Cyprus problem , because there is only one way to solve our problem and it is by negotiation in an atmosphere of good will mutual respect and co operation.

[phoenix]

So I harden against Turkey and the TCs because I want my country back and if TCs want to stay, great, BUT unashamedly on our terms.

Birkibrisli, you sound like a nice man and there are many nice TCs but my country folk come first and unless you allow us this one thing, to run our own country in our own way, with you along or not, then you are not with us. You are against us and our sovereignty.

Phoenix
But don't you understand that those views I highlighted in your post will add credence to the TC view that we have no place in your united RoC ?
Heaven knows what the future holds for TC's once the Turkish army leaves if you want to run the country "your way" "your terms", period.

That's based on the assumption that Phoenix's way is bad. You might first want to ask for details of the "way" before passing judgement.

Oh come on, you can see the way it is written and it is clear enough to me. Phoenix may have time now to reconsider what he really meant by "his way" "his terms" " but I know what I have read (as have other since his post).

I see whilst the cat was away the mice have been playing!

Allow me to demonstrate how I came to the conclusion that GCs need to be allowed to run their own country in their own way.

I started with the premise that Turkey could not be trusted not only because of the terrible atrocities it has performed on other Nations in the past but also because it refuses to acknowledge these and reassure us that it has changed. Not one person defended either the atrocities nor the stance that Turkey takes towards these.

Ergo it remains:TURKEY CAN NOT BE TRUSTED. It does not play by today's exacting standards. It is a misfit.

I was then asked by Birkibrisli to empathise with the TCs on the basis that GCs should be just as bad.

Well WRONG. It does not immediately follow that the GCs have behaved just as bad as the Turks. On close examination all aspects of GC actions that I could refer to where carried out EXPLICITLY to defend themselves against the presence of invaders. This is in no way equal to what the Turks have done.

Now on this basis who would make the most trustworthy leader of a fledgling country????

The undeniably barbarous Turks or the Native Cypriots that have been struggling to re-establish their Nation?

Only a cretin could fail to see that power can only be trusted to the Native Cypriots.
As to how they use that power, there is not one iota of evidence to suggest it would be abused.

The Cypriot people are inherent believers in Democracy, also we are under the EU banner and we uphold ALL International Laws. So what other WAY have you conjured up in your evil twisted cynical divisive mind LondonBoy of whatever vintage!

To top it all Turkey has offered protection to the TCs. It could follow this with offering them asylum should they not wish to remain in a Democratically run country such as the RoC.

Those TCs that wish to remain in a modern Democracy that respects it's neighbours, I'm sure will be of the highest calibre and I welcome them.

The rest can go to HELL otherwise known as TURKEY.

[74LB]

Allow me to demonstrate how I came to the conclusion that GCs need to be allowed to run their own country in their own way

There you go again, this says it all really, and you have the nerve to say my "evil twisted cynical divisive mind" is at work. Go figure.

[KibrisliTurk]

Its clear where HELL is.

TURKEY




GREECE

[phoenix]

Allow me to demonstrate how I came to the conclusion that GCs need to be allowed to run their own country in their own way

There you go again, this says it all really, and you have the nerve to say my "evil twisted cynical divisive mind" is at work. Go figure.

What is your problem with that statement?

Who tells the Turks how to run Turkey? . . . it's own people.

Why should it be any different for the Native Cypriots? Why, so that you can have a motherland and more besides!

What makes the TCs any different to anybody else that they should have SO MUCH MORE than any other group of people?