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[phoenix]

phoenix, even though I make little sense of what you are talking about, I suggest that before you come over to conduct your personal crusade on Cyprus, to first learn the appropriate jargon and try to understand the notions and the context in which the Cyprus issue is being understood and handled by the international community; otherwise I see you "ending up" just like another "Don Quixote" chasing wind mills!

Kifeas with all due respect, you've never really understood what I have said.
The difference being that I question and provoke in order to hear the "real" other side, and you adopt a lofty position of instructing. We are as different as chalk and cheese. That's fine. Variety is the spice of life.

Instructing me to learn the jargon just means you're telling me to be exclusivist which I condemn.

I want to learn, you want to regulate and censor.

But thanks for the warning about wind mills.

I'm not as naive as you seem to have decided I am.

[Viewpoint]

So I harden against Turkey and the TCs because I want my country back and if TCs want to stay, great, BUT unashamedly on our terms.

Birkibrisli, you sound like a nice man and there are many nice TCs but my country folk come first and unless you allow us this one thing, to run our own country in our own way, with you along or not, then you are not with us. You are against us and our sovereignty.

Phoenix, does your nickname come from “finikas,” that mythical bird that became the emblem of the April 1967 Greek Junta? Listen “Phoenix,” we indeed do get enough of emotive grab from schizoid Turkish Cypriot nationalists in here, to now have to sort out their counterpart Greek Cypriot mirror images!

Is there a more accurate way to express what you want to say, other than this preposterous authoritarian style? When you say “they can stay on our terms,” whose terms do you mean and what are these terms?

As for the second paragraph that you posted above; besides your little self -and since you used the “we” pronoun, on who else’s behalf are you talking about? Which other GC political party, association or organised movement do share the above claim or notion, that because we came first we should have the right to rule the country in which ever way we want, without consideration towards what other communities may want or how they feel about it? Is this the sense or type of democracy we want to promote in Cyprus, within the framework of a solution? Are we suggesting that, whatever the Turks do against other cultural or social groups in Turkey, we should also have the right to carry out in Cyprus, simply because we are the majority or because we came first?

Well said Kifeas , his views are obviously not yours any more than they are mine or those of the overwhelming Greek Cypriot population .We are a democracy and must remain as such in order to continue receiving the respect and credibility afforded to us by the International community. The people of Cyprus are all the Cypriots.

You are all back peddling now, the whole forum has read what phoenix said and meant, for him the "natives" are the GCs and they shoudl be allowed to run the whole country and we shoud be allowed to say like foreigners in our own country. viva the TRNC...our only hope and safe haven. Take note all TCs this person has been honest enough to voice openly whats festering in other GCs who will explode at the first opportunity to ensure you find your right place.

[Viewpoint]

phoenix, even though I make little sense of what you are talking about, I suggest that before you come over to conduct your personal crusade on Cyprus, to first learn the appropriate jargon and try to understand the notions and the context in which the Cyprus issue is being understood and handled by the international community; otherwise I see you "ending up" just like another "Don Quixote" chasing wind mills!

Kifeas with all due respect, you've never really understood what I have said.
The difference being that I question and provoke in order to hear the "real" other side, and you adopt a lofty position of instructing. We are as different as chalk and cheese. That's fine. Variety is the spice of life.

Instructing me to learn the jargon just means you're telling me to be exclusivist which I condemn.

I want to learn, you want to regulate and censor.

But thanks for the warning about wind mills.

I'm not as naive as you seem to have decided I am.

You have obviously recieved the PM warning you to tow the official line and not reveal more than is necessary to dupe these stupid TCs into think they would have any say in a united Cyprus which would be no more than a GC state for GCs.

[phoenix]

phoenix, even though I make little sense of what you are talking about, I suggest that before you come over to conduct your personal crusade on Cyprus, to first learn the appropriate jargon and try to understand the notions and the context in which the Cyprus issue is being understood and handled by the international community; otherwise I see you "ending up" just like another "Don Quixote" chasing wind mills!

Kifeas with all due respect, you've never really understood what I have said.
The difference being that I question and provoke in order to hear the "real" other side, and you adopt a lofty position of instructing. We are as different as chalk and cheese. That's fine. Variety is the spice of life.

Instructing me to learn the jargon just means you're telling me to be exclusivist which I condemn.

I want to learn, you want to regulate and censor.

But thanks for the warning about wind mills.

I'm not as naive as you seem to have decided I am.

You have obviously recieved the PM warning you to tow the official line and not reveal more than is necessary to dupe these stupid TCs into think they would have any say in a united Cyprus which would be no more than a GC state for GCs.

Viewpoint: Stop having orgasms all over my thread

Unfortunately for you I am just a minion and everybody knows the games I play.

I'm not afraid to voice an opinion because I am big enough to not be afraid of the consequences. I don't back down from a challenge . . and the only one to have challenged me so far was Birkisbrisli. I thank him. With his questioning I have learnt a lot . . which for me is priceless.

The main thing I have learnt about you is that you are that proverbial little shit-stirrer that has nothing better with which to occupy his tiny little evil mind with then floating around threads passing wry comment.

I am not the catch you wish me to be. I speak only for myself and all my feelings are a VERY personal tirade against Turkey and it's offspring.

[Get Real!]

london boy what do you think the native cypriot are gonna want that would jeopardise anyone else?

and to be honest after 400 odd years i consider the tcs native cypriots...just so we are clear on this...

I'll bet you even think a Harley's a native Cypriot...

[miltiades]

phoenix, even though I make little sense of what you are talking about, I suggest that before you come over to conduct your personal crusade on Cyprus, to first learn the appropriate jargon and try to understand the notions and the context in which the Cyprus issue is being understood and handled by the international community; otherwise I see you "ending up" just like another "Don Quixote" chasing wind mills!

Kifeas with all due respect, you've never really understood what I have said.
The difference being that I question and provoke in order to hear the "real" other side, and you adopt a lofty position of instructing. We are as different as chalk and cheese. That's fine. Variety is the spice of life.

Instructing me to learn the jargon just means you're telling me to be exclusivist which I condemn.

I want to learn, you want to regulate and censor.

But thanks for the warning about wind mills.

I'm not as naive as you seem to have decided I am.

You have obviously recieved the PM warning you to tow the official line and not reveal more than is necessary to dupe these stupid TCs into think they would have any say in a united Cyprus which would be no more than a GC state for GCs.

VP , Stop talking shit for god sake man , all of your arguments are based on your utter misconception of what the majority of G/Cs and T/Cs for that matter want. Cyprus is the land of all Cypriots , equal under local international and European directives, this isn't the 50s or 60s , we have computers now or have you not noticed.The world has moved on and so has Cyprus.

[denizaksulu]

Come on,Phoenix...You are not off the hook yet...

I have often expressed my empathy for the plight of the GCs in Cyprus.
And I see no point in trying to compare injustices...Because each injustice is a crime against humanity,and each hurts equally no matter the numbers involved...

You are still to come up with some examples of injustices done to the TCs by the GCs in Cyprus since 1960s...Put your thinking cap on and try to show us you are capable of seeing the "enemy" as feeling, hurting human beings just like yourself...Your reward will come in this world... I am all ears and eyes...

Each injustice is a crime even though Stalin declared "One death is a tragedy, a thousand deaths, a statistic". And Cyprus is riddled with statistics.
My resistance to empathy with the TCs comes from this small fact. Because we never asked the Turks (Ottomans, whatever) to invade us, or to stay, any consequential actions or reactions by the GCs are legitimate if they serve the purpose to remove the invaders. It's a natural reaction to restore order.

Because of our disproportionate differences in numbers . . we have found it particularly difficult to extricate this enemy.

And that's the crux, Bir. Turkey and it's people are my enemies, the GCs enemies. They will always be, unless they can relinquish ANY claim to power they have in the running of my country and allow themselves to assimilate into the unique culture that is Cyprus. To keep fighting with us for power, to keep making us feel guilty for wanting what is naturally ours is a BIG wrong, a CRIME.

So I harden against Turkey and the TCs because I want my country back and if TCs want to stay, great, BUT unashamedly on our terms.

Birkibrisli, you sound like a nice man and there are many nice TCs but my country folk come first and unless you allow us this one thing, to run our own country in our own way, with you along or not, then you are not with us. You are against us and our sovereignty.

Turkey is my ENEMY . . and I want it OUT of my country. Turkey has ruined the lives of so many of my people I should not be forced to empathise with it or the TCs . . . . it would be like asking a mother to empathise with her child's murderer. Unnecessary and quite wrong.

I will live my life in the hope that we can find a solution to removing the Turks from Cyprus.

You dont ask for much, do you Phoenix.
If you assimilate with TCs - does that include intemarriage? What is your definition of assimilation? Do you see this ever happening?

[Viewpoint]

phoenix, even though I make little sense of what you are talking about, I suggest that before you come over to conduct your personal crusade on Cyprus, to first learn the appropriate jargon and try to understand the notions and the context in which the Cyprus issue is being understood and handled by the international community; otherwise I see you "ending up" just like another "Don Quixote" chasing wind mills!

Kifeas with all due respect, you've never really understood what I have said.
The difference being that I question and provoke in order to hear the "real" other side, and you adopt a lofty position of instructing. We are as different as chalk and cheese. That's fine. Variety is the spice of life.

Instructing me to learn the jargon just means you're telling me to be exclusivist which I condemn.

I want to learn, you want to regulate and censor.

But thanks for the warning about wind mills.

I'm not as naive as you seem to have decided I am.

You have obviously recieved the PM warning you to tow the official line and not reveal more than is necessary to dupe these stupid TCs into think they would have any say in a united Cyprus which would be no more than a GC state for GCs.

Viewpoint: Stop having orgasms all over my thread

Unfortunately for you I am just a minion and everybody knows the games I play.

I'm not afraid to voice an opinion because I am big enough to not be afraid of the consequences. I don't back down from a challenge . . and the only one to have challenged me so far was Birkisbrisli. I thank him. With his questioning I have learnt a lot . . which for me is priceless.

The main thing I have learnt about you is that you are that proverbial little shit-stirrer that has nothing better with which to occupy his tiny little evil mind with then floating around threads passing wry comment.

I am not the catch you wish me to be. I speak only for myself and all my feelings are a VERY personal tirade against Turkey and it's offspring.

Coward they soon clipped your wings.

[Viewpoint]

phoenix, even though I make little sense of what you are talking about, I suggest that before you come over to conduct your personal crusade on Cyprus, to first learn the appropriate jargon and try to understand the notions and the context in which the Cyprus issue is being understood and handled by the international community; otherwise I see you "ending up" just like another "Don Quixote" chasing wind mills!

Kifeas with all due respect, you've never really understood what I have said.
The difference being that I question and provoke in order to hear the "real" other side, and you adopt a lofty position of instructing. We are as different as chalk and cheese. That's fine. Variety is the spice of life.

Instructing me to learn the jargon just means you're telling me to be exclusivist which I condemn.

I want to learn, you want to regulate and censor.

But thanks for the warning about wind mills.

I'm not as naive as you seem to have decided I am.

You have obviously recieved the PM warning you to tow the official line and not reveal more than is necessary to dupe these stupid TCs into think they would have any say in a united Cyprus which would be no more than a GC state for GCs.

VP , Stop talking shit for god sake man , all of your arguments are based on your utter misconception of what the majority of G/Cs and T/Cs for that matter want. Cyprus is the land of all Cypriots , equal under local international and European directives, this isn't the 50s or 60s , we have computers now or have you not noticed.The world has moved on and so has Cyprus.

Whats wrong miltiades afraid someone will tell the truth, you all soon shut phoenix up, who was no match for your hype of we are all "Cypriots" no need to worry trust Gcs we are all the same bullshit. Phoenix is just the tip of what GCs really think and TCs would do well to head and remember his postings as they are more near truth than yours will ever be.

[phoenix]

Viewpoint: Stop having orgasms all over my thread

Unfortunately for you I am just a minion and everybody knows the games I play.

I'm not afraid to voice an opinion because I am big enough to not be afraid of the consequences. I don't back down from a challenge . . and the only one to have challenged me so far was Birkisbrisli. I thank him. With his questioning I have learnt a lot . . which for me is priceless.

The main thing I have learnt about you is that you are that proverbial little shit-stirrer that has nothing better with which to occupy his tiny little evil mind with then floating around threads passing wry comment.

I am not the catch you wish me to be. I speak only for myself and all my feelings are a VERY personal tirade against Turkey and it's offspring.

Coward they soon clipped your wings.

Where are you hiding and how many thousands of Turkish soldiers are keeping you "safe" ?