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[phoenix]

KibrisliTurk -

There's no need or justification for the posting of such images. The fires in Greece were a disaster and pictures of this devastation have no place here.

Thank you LondonBoy. I really appreciate you saying this

[74LB]

Allow me to demonstrate how I came to the conclusion that GCs need to be allowed to run their own country in their own way

There you go again, this says it all really, and you have the nerve to say my "evil twisted cynical divisive mind" is at work. Go figure.

What is your problem with that statement?

Who tells the Turks how to run Turkey? . . . it's own people.

Why should it be any different for the Native Cypriots? Why, so that you can have a motherland and more besides!

What makes the TCs any different to anybody else that they should have SO MUCH MORE than any other group of people?

You just don't get it do you ?

Who gives you the right to say "if TCs want to stay, great, BUT unashamedly on our terms".

In your statement there is really no place for TC, unless they give in to your every demand. Thanks but no thanks.

I have already explained this to you. Why should the Native Cypriots not be self-governing?

I never suggested they give in to every demand . . . but "too many cooks spoil the soup" and the Native Cypriots have to be given a chance to govern.
Then you complain if you don't like

Be serious, who will listen to our complaints once we stay "unashamedly on 'your' terms". The RoC government, the EU, the UN ?

[phoenix]

Phoenix is no more Representative of the average G/C any more than Eric , or even VP.
I deplore his views and condemn his approach to the Cyprus problem , because there is only one way to solve our problem and it is by negotiation in an atmosphere of good will mutual respect and co operation.

Miltiades. I am under no illusions and you have to refrain from this notion . . that this forum represents a stage for "negotiation".

We are just thrashing out ideas to make sense of our little world.

I'm sure everyone speaks for themselves and no one holds grudges for the other side based on what any individual has said.

[Kifeas]

So I harden against Turkey and the TCs because I want my country back and if TCs want to stay, great, BUT unashamedly on our terms.

Birkibrisli, you sound like a nice man and there are many nice TCs but my country folk come first and unless you allow us this one thing, to run our own country in our own way, with you along or not, then you are not with us. You are against us and our sovereignty.

Phoenix, does your nickname come from “finikas,” that mythical bird that became the emblem of the April 1967 Greek Junta? Listen “Phoenix,” we indeed do get enough of emotive grab from schizoid Turkish Cypriot nationalists in here, to now have to sort out their counterpart Greek Cypriot mirror images!

Is there a more accurate way to express what you want to say, other than this preposterous authoritarian style? When you say “they can stay on our terms,” whose terms do you mean and what are these terms?

As for the second paragraph that you posted above; besides your little self -and since you used the “we” pronoun, on who else’s behalf are you talking about? Which other GC political party, association or organised movement do share the above claim or notion, that because we came first we should have the right to rule the country in which ever way we want, without consideration towards what other communities may want or how they feel about it? Is this the sense or type of democracy we want to promote in Cyprus, within the framework of a solution? Are we suggesting that, whatever the Turks do against other cultural or social groups in Turkey, we should also have the right to carry out in Cyprus, simply because we are the majority or because we came first?

[phoenix]

Allow me to demonstrate how I came to the conclusion that GCs need to be allowed to run their own country in their own way

There you go again, this says it all really, and you have the nerve to say my "evil twisted cynical divisive mind" is at work. Go figure.

What is your problem with that statement?

Who tells the Turks how to run Turkey? . . . it's own people.

Why should it be any different for the Native Cypriots? Why, so that you can have a motherland and more besides!

What makes the TCs any different to anybody else that they should have SO MUCH MORE than any other group of people?

You just don't get it do you ?

Who gives you the right to say "if TCs want to stay, great, BUT unashamedly on our terms".

In your statement there is really no place for TC, unless they give in to your every demand. Thanks but no thanks.

I have already explained this to you. Why should the Native Cypriots not be self-governing?

I never suggested they give in to every demand . . . but "too many cooks spoil the soup" and the Native Cypriots have to be given a chance to govern.
Then you complain if you don't like

Be serious, who will listen to our complaints once we stay "unashamedly on 'your' terms". The RoC government, the EU, the UN ?

Because of the pillars that we base the foundations of a Democratic government upon.

Surely you don't disapprove of a firm foundation based on Democracy?

Do you?

[74LB]

Allow me to demonstrate how I came to the conclusion that GCs need to be allowed to run their own country in their own way

There you go again, this says it all really, and you have the nerve to say my "evil twisted cynical divisive mind" is at work. Go figure.

What is your problem with that statement?

Who tells the Turks how to run Turkey? . . . it's own people.

Why should it be any different for the Native Cypriots? Why, so that you can have a motherland and more besides!

What makes the TCs any different to anybody else that they should have SO MUCH MORE than any other group of people?

You just don't get it do you ?

Who gives you the right to say "if TCs want to stay, great, BUT unashamedly on our terms".

In your statement there is really no place for TC, unless they give in to your every demand. Thanks but no thanks.

I have already explained this to you. Why should the Native Cypriots not be self-governing?

I never suggested they give in to every demand . . . but "too many cooks spoil the soup" and the Native Cypriots have to be given a chance to govern.
Then you complain if you don't like

Be serious, who will listen to our complaints once we stay "unashamedly on 'your' terms". The RoC government, the EU, the UN ?

Because of the pillars that we base the foundations of a Democratic government upon.

Surely you don't disapprove of a firm foundation based on Democracy?

Do you?

I have no problems with democracy, I'm just not sure how you plan to use it.

I can guess though that you have "one man, one vote" in mind which means everything the 'Native Cypriot' wants, the 'Native Cypriot' gets.

Am I on the right tracks ?

[phoenix]

So I harden against Turkey and the TCs because I want my country back and if TCs want to stay, great, BUT unashamedly on our terms.

Birkibrisli, you sound like a nice man and there are many nice TCs but my country folk come first and unless you allow us this one thing, to run our own country in our own way, with you along or not, then you are not with us. You are against us and our sovereignty.

Phoenix, does your nickname come from “finikas,” that mythical bird that became the emblem of the April 1967 Greek Junta? Listen “Phoenix,” we indeed do get enough of emotive grab from schizoid Turkish Cypriot nationalists in here, to now have to sort out their counterpart Greek Cypriot mirror images!

Is there a more accurate way to express what you want to say, other than this preposterous authoritarian style? When you say “they can stay on our terms,” whose terms do you mean and what are these terms?

As for the second paragraph that you posted above; besides your little self -and since you used the “we” pronoun, on who else’s behalf are you talking about? Which other GC political party, association or organised movement do share the above claim or notion, that because we came first we should have the right to rule the country in which ever way we want, without consideration towards what other communities may want or how they feel about it? Is this the sense or type of democracy we want to promote in Cyprus, within the framework of a solution? Are we suggesting that, whatever the Turks do against other cultural or social groups in Turkey, we should also have the right to carry out in Cyprus, simply because we are the majority or because we came first?

Kifeas I see the colour red has attracted you to LondonBoys selection of quotes.
Please see above post, my reply to Miltiades to clarify my standpoint that I do nothing more than thrash out ideas to find some sense. It is my way.

I would never stoop to dictate to someone how to conduct their ideas . . I just retort in kind.
But, I appreciate your worries though.

My nick has nothing to do with the Junta for whom my feelings towards would put your own to shame. It merely represents my return since forced out by some TCs (a minor mirror of what Turkey did to me and my family with their bombs).

If I use the term "we" it is only because "I" would sound more authoritarian. This is just semantics.

I stand by my firm belief that I owe it to my country upon my return in a few months from my forced exile, to remind it that it deserves better than being a second rate split nation. That means GCs have to stop pussyfooting and cowering to please all and sundry and set the example by firmly leading in a Democratic way.

But be under no misapprehensions, in whatever way I ask or even demand . . it is for a Democracy where all it's civilians will help govern by whom they elect to do so on their behalf.

[Kifeas]

I have already explained this to you. Why should the Native Cypriots not be self-governing?

I never suggested they give in to every demand . . . but "too many cooks spoil the soup" and the Native Cypriots have to be given a chance to govern.
Then you complain if you don't like

phoenix, native people of any country (i.e. Cypriots) do not ask to be "given a chance" to rule themselves! It is an axiom and a natural right that they should always rule themselves! It is not a matter of asking to be given "a chance!"

By all means and measures, and by international and existing national laws, Turkish Cypriots are a part of the native people of Cyprus!

[boomerang]

london boy what do you think the native cypriot are gonna want that would jeopardise anyone else?

and to be honest after 400 odd years i consider the tcs native cypriots...just so we are clear on this...

[T_C]

They might not allow us to build things like mosques! Or tell us things like theres enough mosques, no need for more....just using that as an example...