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[-mikkie2-]

When are you guys going to understand that you have to consider us as well if a solution is to come about. So far its all about what you want and what you need. It takes two to tango.

[brother]

We know what you want and need and i am sure we will try to accomodate your needs as much as you will for us, but for me the most important thing is a solution that we can all live without fear and in peace.

[Saint Jimmy]

We know what you want and need

I'd be careful saying that, brother. You might get a letter from Kofi asking you to tell him

[brother]

at least i would have something to say and not keep the poor man guessing

[Viewpoint]

Brother

I FEEL THAT THE DOOR IS STILL WIDE OPEN FOR SOLUTION, SO LETS LOOK AT TODAY AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO BEFORE WE START TO TALK ABOUT VIEWPOINTS DREAM OF PARTITION.
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arent you tired of negotiating? havent you had enough of trying to convince people with the same arguements for years and years? your arguements fall on deaf ears. When will you see that theres is no solution that will make both communities commit themselves to reunification. We have proven this time and time again, havent you had enough of banging your head against a GC wall.

[MicAtCyp]

What you don't understand Viewpoint is that if you want to have partition and recognition you don't really need the permission of the GCs not even an agreement with them! All you have to do is just return 19% land back!
But first you have to take permission from your Generals.Can you?

The GCs will never make an agreement even for an 18-82% because they know very well what they will get in the end. It is NOT an option for us, it even does not depend on us. In other words we would be idiots to fall in such a trap.

[Viewpoint]

MicAtCyp everything is theoretical here in the forum to try and guage what the other side thinks. Its obvious to me from all the comments bar 1 (Piratis) that most GCs are against partition but they are also not willing to negotiate in good faith, the referendum was a very good example of this fact. Dont you think the GCs have used the TCs as escape goats for to long and have to now really negotiate with the knowledge that this may be the last chance on the world stage/support, thats why Mr Papadop is dragging his feet, EU UK USA Turkey will only stand so much from Southern Cyprus, once the wrath of these countries and union are unleased partition and recognition/partition maybe become a reality and seeing that most GCs dont want this dont you think they should adopt a more flexible approach in trying to reach a solution or even take concrete steps to gain the confidence/trust of TCs. Once the trust issue has been resolved I feel everything else will follow and both sides will be more flexible on issues that we felt we could never resolve.

[MicAtCyp]

that most GCs are against partition but they are also not willing to negotiate in good faith, the referendum was a very good example of this fact.

That's an arbitrary conclusion I ‘d say.

Once the trust issue has been resolved I feel everything else will follow and both sides will be more flexible on issues that we felt we could never resolve.

The problem is that the only tangible thing that could create trust i.e return of land to the GCs on exchange of economic breath for the TCs has been turned down by your side. I am referring to the matter of Famagusta town and port.

I beleive if that proposal was accepted by your side it would by itself create a storm of developments.

PS. I am rather confused from your post.Are you saying you do not really beleive in partition and you used that as a gauge?

[Viewpoint]

MicAtCyp,
Im referring to the whole idea behind this forum, to try and understand the other sides VIEWPOINT...

[quote]I am referring to the matter of Famagusta town and port.I beleive if that proposal was accepted by your side it would by itself create a storm of developments. [quote]

I can see your point of view on this one and it may have been a step in the right direction but lets put it this way if we were to give back Varosha/Maras and share Famagusta port, we have the same concerns as yourselves if these steps were to be taken it would detract from the overall solution, eg you feel that if isolation of north is lifted we will no longer desire reunification, try and think of this in reverse.

[MicAtCyp]

I can see your point of view on this one and it may have been a step in the right direction but lets put it this way if we were to give back Varosha/Maras and share Famagusta port, we have the same concerns as yourselves if these steps were to be taken it would detract from the overall solution, eg you feel that if isolation of north is lifted we will no longer desire reunification, try and think of this in reverse.

I already did. You take a small part we take a small part also. The big part is still visible. But like I said it is just a step to show good will. It does not mean we are going to slice the pie and exchange small pieces all the time.