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[boulio]

insan if talat tommorow woke up and summound the turkish land forces commander of northern cyprus to his office and told him to remove his forces what would happen:

a)the turkish general would say yes and see you
b)laugh at talat
c)have talat strung up right next to the turkish flag
d)wont even show up for the meeting.


eldyk if requested by the cypriot govt.would be removed immediatly.
dektash clerly stated a few days ago in the turkish press that if turkey loses cyprus it is a huge geopolitical lose for turkey.

[MicAtCyp]

MicAtCyp, do you believe a true unification is possible?

Yes Pirati, i beleive so. Even if you read between the lines of the members of this forum they (TCs) all know what we want and we (GCs) know what they want.And we are all (including you) ready to compromise somewhere. A good solution will eventually evolve to a unitary sort of bizonal state in the sense that the TCs will always be the mojority in some areas in the northern part and will always be governed by their own people.

What we are going through right now is the result of our thousand past compromises to the various demands of Denktash just to bring him back to the table, with which he actually meant 2 separate states. The process started reversing. Be patient.

[Viewpoint]

Do I take it that Piratis and I are the only ones who would genuinely consider partition in relation to re-distribution of land???

No more solution plans, no more negotiations, no more political maneuvering, end of this elongated situation forever, just getting on with our lives without always hearing about the Cyprus issue, doesnt everybody want this??

[erolz]

Do I take it that Piratis and I are the only ones who would genuinely consider partition in relation to re-distribution of land???

No more solution plans, no more negotiations, no more political maneuvering, end of this elongated situation forever, just getting on with our lives without always hearing about the Cyprus issue, doesnt everybody want this??

My view is that agreed partition would be better than current status quo and that an agreed settlment not based on partition would be better than one based on partition.

However I do not really think that agreed partition is a possiblility. I do not think a GC majority would support it - or for that matter the rest of the world (EU or UN).

[Viewpoint]

erolz point taken but dont you feel that even if a solution was hammered out which I personally think is very unlikely because we are so far apart from each other on many issues, that it is doomed to failure??I hate to sound pessimistic but I just have my doubts and concerns which stems firstly from meeting Greek Cypriots on a one to one basis and also comments made on this forum, add to this the ill will of the Greek Cypriot administration.
We are used to living apart, its been 30 years and if you feel that you are missing that vital ingredient of TRUST, then surely its more honest to put your hands up and say right, its time to go our own ways. Any plan be it Annan or anything else will be rejected by one of the 2 communities as they feel if one sides wants it, it must be in their favour so we must reject it or we will be doomed just like in the case of the Annan plan.

[brother]

That is the most pessismistic view i have ever heard, viewpoint probably would benefit from a partition but the rest of the people would not hence to the rest of us this is not a viable idea.

[Viewpoint]

brother

That is the most pessismistic view i have ever heard, viewpoint probably would benefit from a partition but the rest of the people would not hence to the rest of us this is not a viable idea.

Ok brother we can partition and you can live in the 82% of the island with all the utopian optimists while I can live in the 18% of the island with all the pessimists.

How does that sound???

[brother]

It sounds like that you are a nationalist that follows the route of denktas senior and Turkey which most tc do not want and if the people have anything to do with it (the march for peace prior to referandum) yours is nothing more than a dream, and one day you will wake up to the realities of the truth.

[Viewpoint]

brother lets put it this way if loving your country means your a nationalist then I am guilty, if being realistic is being a nationalist then again I am guilty, if caring for my own people is being a nationalist the ok you are right again, if voting yes in the referendum is being a nationalist then you are right yet again, but its not me that should wake up, its you dear brother, how long will it take you 30++++ 2, 5 10, years to realize that we will never agree on anything, this forum is a good example of how far away from a solution we really are. The likelihood of finding a solution that will make both sides confident enough to commit themselves is so remote that considering partition has a realistic alternative that I really feel could work for us all and put an end to years years years years years of negotiations that result in nothing.

[Alexandros Lordos]

brother lets put it this way if loving your country means your a nationalist then I am guilty, if being realistic is being a nationalist then again I am guilty, if caring for my own people is being a nationalist the ok you are right again, if voting yes in the referendum is being a nationalist then you are right yet again, but its not me that should wake up, its you dear brother, how long will it take you 30++++ 2, 5 10, years to realize that we will never agree on anything, this forum is a good example of how far away from a solution we really are. The likelihood of finding a solution that will make both sides confident enough to commit themselves is so remote that considering partition has a realistic alternative that I really feel could work for us all and put an end to years years years years years of negotiations that result in nothing.

Sorry to barge into your conversation ...

Viewpoint, I acknowledge that your sentiments are heart felt, you are neither a thief nor a nationalist nor any other epithet that one may have hoisted on you. If I understand you correctly you are placing a premium on peace, meant as lack of tension, lack of quarrels, lack of violence.

From your viewpoint, I can see how the current situation, or even better a normalisation of the current situation, seems like an optimal solution. I respect where you are coming from.

Let me now express to you where I come from.

For me, the primary motive for wanting re-unification originated when I was working in Limassol a few years ago, and had some TC patients. It was my first real contact with Turkish Cypriots, and I felt a longing - a sense that GCs and TCs have so much to offer to each other, that they complement each other in so many ways, that it is a great pity to be so far apart.

Personally, I am not afraid of tension. Tension is what we have when we try to learn to live with someone for the first time, it is inevitable that we will quarrel, speak at cross purposes, behave in a prejudiced manner ... until we get to know each other better, and learn to respect each other's sensitivities and priorities. I see, for instance, people like Agios Amvrosios, who come to this forum for the first time with nothing but a desire to preach and quarrel, but gradually develop a capacity for respectful dialogue ...

You are right when you say that our leaders have been "negotiating" fruitlessly for thirty years now. This is a sad truth. We as the people, however, have only began to communicate very recently. Gradually the walls that have been keeping us artificially apart are falling, gradually we are beginning to understand the reality of our conflicted but also brotherly co-existence ...