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[Viewpoint]

You are being childish again

[erolz]

Let me try to translate this issue.

Does it need translating? I would like to knwo if it was a misquote. If it was not I would like to know on what TP bases this claim. I would also like to know how he thinks claims like this will bring us closer to a fair and just solution.

I think he did not say 63-74 but after 67 which means 68 - 74. He said the follwing:

Why do you think he said after 67 when the online verions of the article clearly says from 63-74? If it was a misquote or a mistake wht has he or noone corrected the mistake / misquote?

Papadopoulos was in the Government then.The major problems after 1967 were the killings between GCs among themselves. Even at such a high Gov position it is possible that he did not actually know or pay attention to a few sporadic TC killings after 1967 as the issue of killings was concentrated elsewhere.

Where has 'from 67 onwards' come from - except your imagination? TP knows for a fact that GC (and organised GC) were killing TC in the period from 63-onwards. It is quite (very imo) possible that not only did he know of this but that he himself was directly involved in such killings, if not in pulling the trigger then in giving and passing on orders to do so, in his role as an EOKA leader.

No matter what, the argument was wrong. But why should you translate that as something having so deep roots to the effect of he been an intentional lier. What could he possibly earn from such a lie? How could that help him pass his own strategy for the Cyprus problem? It just doesn't fit anywhere..

I do not know why he said such a bizzare thing or if he did not say it why he has not said he did not say it. What I do know is that it leaves me with grave concerns about his comitment to finding a fair and just solution, his personal honesty and trustworthiness and his attitude to the plight of the TC community in Cyprus? How else am I, as a TC, to interprete such a claim? If the quote is wrong then say so. He has had ample opportuinty ot 'correct' the statement and has not done so - so I have to assume that the quote is correct - as it appears in the article (and not in your mind).

The argument was certainly wrong. But mental "disturbances" don't start at the age of 85 like Denktash. They start at his age. He is old. Sometimes his mind remembers only fantasies.

That is supposed to reassure me is it? One of (possibly the single) most important people that is going to lead us forward to a solution is in the process of senillity? So I can choose from a 'denier of histoical fact' or a senile old fool? And I am not supposed to be concerned?

That's how I see it, I may be wrong, but if someone else can give me a logical explanation I will think about it. What I cannot accept is that statement might be part of a big and complex plan.

I do not understand why he would make such a statement. It remains a mystery to me. It alos remains a concern to me that someone who could make such a statment is in the 'driving seat' with regards to finding a fair solution. One possibility (and it's not a great one - I can find no 'great' ones) is that he simply did not realise or expect such a statement to be noticed or recorded and accessable by anyone with an internet connection. He may have thought it was in a 'uncconected country', would appear in print one day and be gone the next and thus he could 'get away' with such an outrageous and damaging statement. In other areas he seems to asute to make such a miscalculation so as far as an 'explaination' this one remains weak - like all the others that have been mooted. I do not really care if it was part of some 'strategy' or not. The fact remains such a statement fills me with concern over this being the man that plays such a major role in fate of Cyprus.

[Othellos]

Yep the thread / post relating to this is here

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... leej#12383

The update is - nothing. Not heard anything back from either email address. Not a confirmation of reciept of my mail - nothing. nada. zip.

If someone can dig up some phone numbers I'll try asking 'in person'. If that fails maybe I'll try a visit in the flesh and see if I can get any further?

I wonder if you asked for a "receipt" after sending your email. This way you could perhaps see if they received your email or not.

Here are the full contact details of the PIO office in Nicosia:

Press and Information Office (PIO)
Apellis St.
1456 Lefkosia (Nicosia), Cyprus
tel: +357 22801384, 22801177, 22801155, 22801164
fax:+357 22666123
Ε-mail:[email protected]

The first email addresses I gave you were personal, if I remember correctly. From my own experience (not with the PIO) I can tell you that many people here in Cyprus rarely check their email even though they have an email address. If this is the case with the PIO then it means that they are quite...unprofessional. In any case, one of the above phone / fax numbers should work. Alternatively and in case you have not done that already, you can always try the above email address.

O.

[erolz]

I wonder if you asked for a "receipt" after sending your email. This way you could perhaps see if they received your email or not.

No - don't use receipts on email or reply to them (proprietary MS stuff is not my bag)

Here are the full contact details of the PIO office in Nicosia:

Press and Information Office (PIO)
Apellis St.
1456 Lefkosia (Nicosia), Cyprus
tel: +357 22801384, 22801177, 22801155, 22801164
fax:+357 22666123
Ε-mail:[email protected]

The first email addresses I gave you were personal, if I remember correctly. From my own experience (not with the PIO) I can tell you that many people here in Cyprus rarely check their email even though they have an email address. If this is the case with the PIO then it means that they are quite...unprofessional. In any case, one of the above phone / fax numbers should work. Alternatively and in case you have not done that already, you can always try the above email address.

O.

I'll try the general email - give it a coupel of weeks and if I hear nothing I'll try ringing them. If nothing else they should be able to either confirm or deny that the quote is accurate. That is part of their job presumably?

[MicAtCyp]

We have had a peaceful existence since 1974, dont know about you guys. So I would agree it brought us PEACE.

This kind of peace IS THE PEACE OF THE CEMENTARY! Some people do get peace after others are killed and be thrown out of their homes.Shame on you to insist on that.

Say what you will but I think thats called Peace.

It's called ceasefire not peace. It's sort of the tranguility before a volcano erupts.

[Piratis]

Erolz,
Check this thread: http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus1120.html fourth point from the end

MicAtCyp, do you believe a true unification is possible? 18%-82% partition is bad, but the current status to coninue forever is worst, and a disguised partition is worst as well. So maybe in the end we will just have to choose the "least bad"?

[erolz]

Erolz,
Check this thread: http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus1120.html fourth point from the end

I guess I am still too 'english' to really be a cypriot then Give me time and maybe I too will stop reading my emails.

Nice bit of humour btw Piratis.

[Viewpoint]

MicAtCyp

This kind of peace IS THE PEACE OF THE CEMENTARY! Some people do get peace after others are killed and be thrown out of their homes.Shame on you to insist on that.

Although its very regrettable that all Cypriots had to go through 1960 to 1974, but the Peace we have today call it whatever you want is preferable if only for the reason that we safe and protected, please dont refer back to property again lives are more important..Id rather have my life and safety of my loved ones than any amount of land property or money.

Its PEACE for us you can call it what you want thats your choice and doesnt change a thing.

[Piratis]

Its PEACE for us you can call it what you want thats your choice and doesnt change a thing.

recorded

[MicAtCyp]

Who were you trying to convince that partition is the worst solution???
Yourself??

No, the BlindViewPoint.

And by the way since all these years you had PEACE like you said, why did you get in the streets shouting for BARIS???

I do not understand why he would make such a statement. It remains a mystery to me.

Erol, when I refered to the date, it was from memory.As you can see I always reply to the previously downloaded posts.So in the meantime someone gave the exact text that I only read after posting my message.

The fact is however that you spent all your time analysing my post line after line when I already made it clear I was just guessing.Suprisingly however you end up telling me it is a mystery for you. IT-IS and IT-WAS a mystery for me too. It would be his age it could be he lied it could be what you said it could be anything.
However you did not miss the chance (and you do this very often to grap such opportunities) to conclude that

It alos remains a concern to me that someone who could make such a statment is in the 'driving seat' with regards to finding a fair solution.

without even thinking that you yourselves for 30 years presented us Denktash in the 'driving seat' with regards to finding a fair solution. without caring for our concerns. And not only that, you expected us to say YES in the referendum and have Denktash as Co-President without again caring for our concerns.

About the e-mail stuff. My advice is don't bother.They will never reply you because they never reply to e-mails. Perhaps you can send an "open letter" to Papadopoulos via publishing your letter in a newspaper that circulates is the free areas e.g to Cyprus Mail.