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[Eric dayi]

The other much smaller minorities in Cyprus have retained their identities, this osmosis crap is just a lame excuse to keep what has been taken by force. Do you think that the Brits in Cyprus will all be Greek in a couple of generations? "Oh but what about our security" cry the TCs, well the EU will take care of that. Forget the UN, all of Cyprus could be a thriving mulicultural society with European standards of living and democracy. Look to the future, stop digging up the past.

Well, if you believe that the EU "will take care of that" Jerry then you believe in anything, even in the tooth fairy.

What has the EU been able to take carefo till now? Nothing mate apart from looking like fools that is.

[Pyrpolizer]

FYI the initiator of the topic is a sworn partitionist, who wants nothing less than recognition of the occupied. The "osmosis" thing is just one of the tools such people use to frighten the Tcs who want re-unification. Osmosis in their perception means assimilation of TCs in Greek culture. It is obvious that such a thing can never happen in a Federal solution.

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[Kifeas]

Tell me about your indigenousness again... the last time I checked the South you had, let me see... the Greek flag, the Greek language, the Greek TV channels, the Greek songs, the Greek stars, the Greek policies, the Greek allegiance, the Greek religion, the Greek food, hell you even wanted to become Greece just recently .... did I miss naything?

You came here as Greeks, lived as Greeks, live as Greeks and established/establish your communal and international policies as Greeks. If you were half the Cypriots that we are, the Cyprus issue would have been a bedtime story for kids.

Twisted Turkish nationalist Murataga! Each and every individual is free to adopt and follow any religion he chooses, is free to adopt any cultural identity he likes, is free to listen to any kind of music he wishes, and is free to raise inside or outside his house whichever flag he likes! What determines a person’s and a peoples’ rights to a place or to a country, is based on whether they are the legal inhabitants and citizens of it, and not whether they voluntary adopt this or the other cultural identity! Our indigenousness stems from the fact that we trace our roots in this country since before the beginning of history, or since more than 3,500 years ago! If we are not the indigenous people of this country, then there are no indigenous people anywhere on this planet!

You may and are free to hate everything Greek or Hellenic, as you choose to call it, but hey; by the admittance of every single scholar and academic all over the world, Greeks gave you, me and the rest of the world the means and ways to think, speak and live today at a much higher level and standard of civilisation, than we would have otherwise been!

[Eric dayi]

muataga:

How meaningful is a man`s word for bicommunal bizonal federation when he openly admits his agenda for assimilation? There is no problem that we improve more towards a European society but I see no need that we have to be assimilated/absorbed by a community that tried to annihilate and tries to dominate us.

I cant believe Turkish grown men really believe the shit that they throw out of their mouths. Do they lie to their kids like this with the same approach to make them have their own way? Just spew lies out accordingly.

We just tell them the truth, what your "President " says he wants, that's all.

[growuptcs]

The propaganda that you throw out of your mouths, not the presidents.

[Get Real!]

GR I acknowledge the TCs ARE CYPRIOTS therefore I don't care if they are indigenous or not...

Indigenousness has NOTHING to do with whether or not TCs are considered Cypriots and EVERYTHING to do with the EXISTANCE OF AN ISLAND COUNTRY AND HER PEOPLE FOR TEN MILLENIUMS!

Cyprus is NOT some abandoned Mycenaean trade base!

Cyprus is NOT some Turkish stop-over rock on the way to Egypt or Malta

Cyprus is NOT a little patch of land disputed by Greece and Turkey!

Cyprus is NOT Atlantis resurfaced all cleansed from unknown inhabitants and ready for Greeks and Turks to fight over!

Cyprus WAS, IS, and WILL continue being a prominent Mediterranean ENTITY backed by 10,000 years of rich history … and it’s that VERY indigenousness that makes this possible which you so easily dismiss!

[Eric dayi]

Yep, got to admit that you two( Eric and Murat) are a little peculiar in your approach. Read the whole highlighted sentence again. What are you so shocked about? The application of the acquis communautaire? Characteristics of a European society in Harmony with the rest of the island? In view of these qualifieres Osmosis has the meaning of constant contact and communication, not assimilation. You guys were obviously not very good at high school biology. Effortless in this case means not forced, without pressure. And he already outlined the solution as bizonal and federal in his opening paragraph. In short you are deliberately distorting the meaning.

I am no fan of Pap, but not too happy to be fed propaganda either.

How meaningful is a man`s word for bicommunal bizonal federation when he openly admits his agenda for assimilation? There is no problem that we improve more towards a European society but I see no need that we have to be assimilated/absorbed by a community that tried to annihilate and tries to dominate us.

The problem is that we have never been able to persuade the TCs to assimilate and be an effective part of the RoC hence the partition we face today. It's your reluctance to integrate that has messed things up and we are having to make huge sacrifices to please the TC's the whole time. You are spoilt and selfish. You need to learn to accept compromise.

No one has ever tried to "dominate" the TCs in the RoC. They had more than their fair share of power. You are just reflecting your current state of unease because you are NOW dominated by Turkey.

And you GCs tried to take that power away from us by trying to genocide us in the name of ENOSIS to turn Cyprus into a Greek island. This is what got us into this mess and what constgituted to the division.

I have nothing againt being "dominated" by my own people but you are ashamed of yours.

The only "huge sacrifices" the "RoC" ever made was to sacrifice (murder) our people for land greed and ENOSIS.

[Eric dayi]

Until 1974 most TCs spoke Greek. It is only natural for a small minority to learn the language of the majority.

Stop your lying, some spoke Greek and not "most" as you claim.

What is not only unnatural, but also criminal and illegal, is trying to create some Turkish country, on land where GCs outnumber TCs with over 5 to 1, and which was inhabited by GCs for 3500 years.

In Cyprus we have minorities like Armenians, Latins and Maronites, who have been in Cyprus for far longer than TCs, and who are much less numerically than TCs as well. Still those people have retained their unique characteristics, and they are respected citizens of Cyprus, just like they respect the other Cypriots.

Unfortunately the Turks, have not come out of the middle ages yet, and they are trying to conquer land that does not belong to them by means of mass murder and ethnic cleansing.

They have ethnically cleansed the majority of Cypriots from the north part of our country, replaced them with foreign settlers, changed the names of our towns and villages and they are trying to destroy the history of our land by turning our churches into barns and bars, in an attempt to create a fake Cyprus, a "Turkish Cyprus" in the north part of our country.

They will fail though because we have justice on our side.[/quote]

Keep on blah blahing.........

[Eric dayi]

The propaganda that you throw out of your mouths, not the presidents.

The propaganda came out of your "Presidents" mouth, not ours. He wants "osmosis", we don't, so how can it be our "propaganda"? growup.

[growuptcs]

He said it only because thats whats going on, and thats the reality of the situation now with no movement from Turkey.