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[Get Real!]

Yep, got to admit that you two( Eric and Murat) are a little peculiar in your approach. Read the whole highlighted sentence again. What are you so shocked about? The application of the acquis communautaire? Characteristics of a European society in Harmony with the rest of the island? In view of these qualifieres Osmosis has the meaning of constant contact and communication, not assimilation. You guys were obviously not very good at high school biology. Effortless in this case means not forced, without pressure. And he already outlined the solution as bizonal and federal in his opening paragraph. In short you are deliberately distorting the meaning.

I am no fan of Pap, but not too happy to be fed propaganda either.

How meaningful is a man`s word for bicommunal bizonal federation when he openly admits his agenda for assimilation? There is no problem that we improve more towards a European society but I see no need that we have to be assimilated/absorbed by a community that tried to annihilate and tries to dominate us.

The problem is that we have never been able to persuade the TCs to assimilate and be an effective part of the RoC hence the partition we face today. It's your reluctance to integrate that has messed things up and we are having to make huge sacrifices to please the TC's the whole time. You are spoilt and selfish. You need to learn to accept compromise.

No one has ever tried to "dominate" the TCs in the RoC. They had more than their fair share of power. You are just reflecting your current state of unease because you are NOW dominated by Turkey.

Like to clarify these sweeping statements? if you can. What was 1963 to 1974?

1963 to 1974 was our struggle to defend ourselves against the constant onslaught of TCs wanting partition . . . proof being that they now have what they kept fighting and killing us for during that period.

The huge sacrifices are the resources the TCs still use up, not just utilities, but diplomatic efforts that constantly make them the centre of attention when we should be concentrating on the higher things in life. The TCs are behaving like the disruptive schoolboy that always wants the teacher's attention. Consequently every-ones progress is suspended.

Rest my case, your comments confirm your own ignorance and brain washed approach that we get you nowhere.

Resting your nutcase?

Such petulance is again proof that TCs are so full of their own importance that they go off in a huff as soon as someone does not accept their bleatings.

Shut yourselves off in the north and stew!

Patience dear Phoenix... The TC policy has remained CONSTANT since the early fifties and it is none other than the partition of Cyprus and the creation of a new state because they have never really managed to blend in with indigenous Cyprus.

The reason for this is because they first came here in the 15th century with malice and continued with malice on the island for far too long to the point where the locals could never accept them and this is the unfortunate legacy that the modern TC has inherited.

[T_C]

[sarcasm]Oh I just can't wait to unite with GCs!!![/sarcasm]

[Get Real!]

[sarcasm]Oh I just can't wait to unite with GCs!!![/sarcasm]

Do you see any truth in the above T_C?

[Murataga]

Yep, got to admit that you two( Eric and Murat) are a little peculiar in your approach. Read the whole highlighted sentence again. What are you so shocked about? The application of the acquis communautaire? Characteristics of a European society in Harmony with the rest of the island? In view of these qualifieres Osmosis has the meaning of constant contact and communication, not assimilation. You guys were obviously not very good at high school biology. Effortless in this case means not forced, without pressure. And he already outlined the solution as bizonal and federal in his opening paragraph. In short you are deliberately distorting the meaning.

I am no fan of Pap, but not too happy to be fed propaganda either.

How meaningful is a man`s word for bicommunal bizonal federation when he openly admits his agenda for assimilation? There is no problem that we improve more towards a European society but I see no need that we have to be assimilated/absorbed by a community that tried to annihilate and tries to dominate us.

The problem is that we have never been able to persuade the TCs to assimilate and be an effective part of the RoC hence the partition we face today. It's your reluctance to integrate that has messed things up and we are having to make huge sacrifices to please the TC's the whole time. You are spoilt and selfish. You need to learn to accept compromise.

No one has ever tried to "dominate" the TCs in the RoC. They had more than their fair share of power. You are just reflecting your current state of unease because you are NOW dominated by Turkey.

Like to clarify these sweeping statements? if you can. What was 1963 to 1974?

1963 to 1974 was our struggle to defend ourselves against the constant onslaught of TCs wanting partition . . . proof being that they now have what they kept fighting and killing us for during that period.

The huge sacrifices are the resources the TCs still use up, not just utilities, but diplomatic efforts that constantly make them the centre of attention when we should be concentrating on the higher things in life. The TCs are behaving like the disruptive schoolboy that always wants the teacher's attention. Consequently every-ones progress is suspended.

Rest my case, your comments confirm your own ignorance and brain washed approach that we get you nowhere.

Resting your nutcase?

Such petulance is again proof that TCs are so full of their own importance that they go off in a huff as soon as someone does not accept their bleatings.

Shut yourselves off in the north and stew!

Patience dear Phoenix... The TC policy has remained CONSTANT since the early fifties and it is none other than the partition of Cyprus and the creation of a new state because they have never really managed to blend in with indigenous Cyprus.

The reason for this is because they first came here in the 15th century with malice and continued with malice on the island for far too long to the point where the locals could never accept them and this is the unfortunate legacy that the modern TC has inherited.

Tell me about your indigenousness again... the last time I checked the South you had, let me see... the Greek flag, the Greek language, the Greek TV channels, the Greek songs, the Greek stars, the Greek policies, the Greek allegiance, the Greek religion, the Greek food, hell you even wanted to become Greece just recently .... did I miss naything?

You came here as Greeks, lived as Greeks, live as Greeks and established/establish your communal and international policies as Greeks. If you were half the Cypriots that we are, the Cyprus issue would have been a bedtime story for kids.

[Get Real!]

Yep, got to admit that you two( Eric and Murat) are a little peculiar in your approach. Read the whole highlighted sentence again. What are you so shocked about? The application of the acquis communautaire? Characteristics of a European society in Harmony with the rest of the island? In view of these qualifieres Osmosis has the meaning of constant contact and communication, not assimilation. You guys were obviously not very good at high school biology. Effortless in this case means not forced, without pressure. And he already outlined the solution as bizonal and federal in his opening paragraph. In short you are deliberately distorting the meaning.

I am no fan of Pap, but not too happy to be fed propaganda either.

How meaningful is a man`s word for bicommunal bizonal federation when he openly admits his agenda for assimilation? There is no problem that we improve more towards a European society but I see no need that we have to be assimilated/absorbed by a community that tried to annihilate and tries to dominate us.

The problem is that we have never been able to persuade the TCs to assimilate and be an effective part of the RoC hence the partition we face today. It's your reluctance to integrate that has messed things up and we are having to make huge sacrifices to please the TC's the whole time. You are spoilt and selfish. You need to learn to accept compromise.

No one has ever tried to "dominate" the TCs in the RoC. They had more than their fair share of power. You are just reflecting your current state of unease because you are NOW dominated by Turkey.

Like to clarify these sweeping statements? if you can. What was 1963 to 1974?

1963 to 1974 was our struggle to defend ourselves against the constant onslaught of TCs wanting partition . . . proof being that they now have what they kept fighting and killing us for during that period.

The huge sacrifices are the resources the TCs still use up, not just utilities, but diplomatic efforts that constantly make them the centre of attention when we should be concentrating on the higher things in life. The TCs are behaving like the disruptive schoolboy that always wants the teacher's attention. Consequently every-ones progress is suspended.

Rest my case, your comments confirm your own ignorance and brain washed approach that we get you nowhere.

Resting your nutcase?

Such petulance is again proof that TCs are so full of their own importance that they go off in a huff as soon as someone does not accept their bleatings.

Shut yourselves off in the north and stew!

Patience dear Phoenix... The TC policy has remained CONSTANT since the early fifties and it is none other than the partition of Cyprus and the creation of a new state because they have never really managed to blend in with indigenous Cyprus.

The reason for this is because they first came here in the 15th century with malice and continued with malice on the island for far too long to the point where the locals could never accept them and this is the unfortunate legacy that the modern TC has inherited.

Tell me about your indigenousness again... the last time I checked the South you had, let me see... the Greek flag, the Greek language, the Greek TV channels, the Greek songs, the Greek stars, the Greek policies, the Greek allegiance, the Greek religion, the Greek food, hell you even wanted to become Greece just recently .... did I miss naything?

You came here as Greeks, lived as Greeks, live as Greeks and established/establish your communal and international policies as Greeks. If you were half the Cypriots that we are, the Cyprus issue would have been a bedtime story for kids.

You have ignored the important psychological factor that the TC community faces which I have raised and opted in a rush to try and undermine the GC indigenousness...

Needless to say Murataga that you do not even have any material to prove the essence of your irrelevant response.

But anyway, very soon I will prove to everyone beyond any reasonable doubt in a new article how Greece, in one of the 20th century’s greatest conspiracies, managed to rob Cyprus of her true inheritance.

Patience Murataga…

[Nikitas]

Well Murat,

When I look out of the window of my hotel in Nicosia I see al ot more Turkish flags than Greek ones. So cut the nonsense about the all present Greek elements in the south.

Now back to the question at hand. You rushed to interpret a sentence that could have meant Osmosis in a federal state, which could mean a proces that goes on on BOTH sides to unite them into one federal state. You talk about Osmosis as if the Greek Cypriots were ready to assimilate you and make you disappear, perhaps they do not want to assimilate you, so they too would have to go through a period of assimilating themselves into a new federal system. So why the rush to pre-judge? And where did you see any reference in what I wrote about indigenousness and all that crap?

And by the way I did not "come here" I was born here. Inside the walls of Nicosia. And I can trace my roots all the way back to the 12th century before losing track. And nowhere in my posts have I challenged anybody's ancestry or right to be on the island based on ethnic background.

[Murataga]

Yep, got to admit that you two( Eric and Murat) are a little peculiar in your approach. Read the whole highlighted sentence again. What are you so shocked about? The application of the acquis communautaire? Characteristics of a European society in Harmony with the rest of the island? In view of these qualifieres Osmosis has the meaning of constant contact and communication, not assimilation. You guys were obviously not very good at high school biology. Effortless in this case means not forced, without pressure. And he already outlined the solution as bizonal and federal in his opening paragraph. In short you are deliberately distorting the meaning.

I am no fan of Pap, but not too happy to be fed propaganda either.

How meaningful is a man`s word for bicommunal bizonal federation when he openly admits his agenda for assimilation? There is no problem that we improve more towards a European society but I see no need that we have to be assimilated/absorbed by a community that tried to annihilate and tries to dominate us.

The problem is that we have never been able to persuade the TCs to assimilate and be an effective part of the RoC hence the partition we face today. It's your reluctance to integrate that has messed things up and we are having to make huge sacrifices to please the TC's the whole time. You are spoilt and selfish. You need to learn to accept compromise.

No one has ever tried to "dominate" the TCs in the RoC. They had more than their fair share of power. You are just reflecting your current state of unease because you are NOW dominated by Turkey.

Like to clarify these sweeping statements? if you can. What was 1963 to 1974?

1963 to 1974 was our struggle to defend ourselves against the constant onslaught of TCs wanting partition . . . proof being that they now have what they kept fighting and killing us for during that period.

The huge sacrifices are the resources the TCs still use up, not just utilities, but diplomatic efforts that constantly make them the centre of attention when we should be concentrating on the higher things in life. The TCs are behaving like the disruptive schoolboy that always wants the teacher's attention. Consequently every-ones progress is suspended.

Rest my case, your comments confirm your own ignorance and brain washed approach that we get you nowhere.

Resting your nutcase?

Such petulance is again proof that TCs are so full of their own importance that they go off in a huff as soon as someone does not accept their bleatings.

Shut yourselves off in the north and stew!

Patience dear Phoenix... The TC policy has remained CONSTANT since the early fifties and it is none other than the partition of Cyprus and the creation of a new state because they have never really managed to blend in with indigenous Cyprus.

The reason for this is because they first came here in the 15th century with malice and continued with malice on the island for far too long to the point where the locals could never accept them and this is the unfortunate legacy that the modern TC has inherited.

Tell me about your indigenousness again... the last time I checked the South you had, let me see... the Greek flag, the Greek language, the Greek TV channels, the Greek songs, the Greek stars, the Greek policies, the Greek allegiance, the Greek religion, the Greek food, hell you even wanted to become Greece just recently .... did I miss naything?

You came here as Greeks, lived as Greeks, live as Greeks and established/establish your communal and international policies as Greeks. If you were half the Cypriots that we are, the Cyprus issue would have been a bedtime story for kids.

You have ignored the important psychological factor that the TC community faces which I have raised and opted in a rush to try and undermine the GC indigenousness...

Needless to say Murataga that you do not even have any material to prove the essence of your irrelevant response.

But anyway, very soon I will prove to everyone beyond any reasonable doubt in a new article how Greece, in one of the 20th century’s greatest conspiracies, managed to rob Cyprus of her true inheritance.

Patience Murataga…

By all means feel free to correct me if you deny that you have:

the Greek flag, the Greek language, the Greek TV channels, the Greek songs, the Greek stars, the Greek policies, the Greek allegiance, the Greek religion, the Greek food...

and

hell you even wanted to become Greece just recently

[Get Real!]

By all means feel free to correct me if you deny that you have:

the Greek flag, the Greek language, the Greek TV channels, the Greek songs, the Greek stars, the Greek policies, the Greek allegiance, the Greek religion, the Greek food...

and

hell you even wanted to become Greece just recently

But that is not the ESSENCE of your argument Murataga. The essence of your response was that the GCs are not indigenous because they have all come from Greece! Isn’t that what you were trying to say?

[Pyrpolizer]

Tell me about your indigenousness again... the last time I checked the South you had, let me see... the Greek flag, the GreekGreek Language:, the Greek songs, the Greek stars, the Greek policies, the Greek allegiance, the Greek religion, the Greek food, hell you even wanted to become Greece just recently .... did I miss naything?

You came here as Greeks, lived as Greeks, live as Greeks and established/establish your communal and international policies as Greeks. If you were half the Cypriots that we are, the Cyprus issue would have been a bedtime story for kids.

I don't care about indigenousness but I will answer this question as I want a reply from you as how the Tcs carry more Cypriotness in them than us.

The Greek flag: NO! All government buildings have the Cypriot Flag. The greek flag is on private buildings, churches etc.
In comparison with TCs:They have both the Turkish and it's negative image flags everywhere
The Greek Language:We speak the GC dialect which is very distinctive than mainland Greek
In comparison with TCs:Same thing
the Greek songs: Yes we like Greek songs/music but we also like other foreign music
In comparison with TCs:same thing
the Greek stars: As above
In comparison with TCs:The same thing
the Greek policies:No. We have diverted policies
In comparison with TCs:You are totally depended on Turkish policies
the Greek allegiance:Not at all
In comparison with TCs:Full allegiance to Turkey
the Greek religion: Yes
In comparison with TCs:the same
the Greek food: No. Our cuisine diviates a lot.
In comparison with TCs:?

So would you care enlighten me how you carry more Cypriotness in you than us?

@ everybody: FYI the initiator of the topic is a sworn partitionist, who wants nothing less than recognition of the occupied. The "osmosis" thing is just one of the tools such people use to frighten the Tcs who want re-unification. Osmosis in their perception means assimilation of TCs in Greek culture. It is obvious that such a thing can never happen in a Federal solution.

[Get Real!]

By all means feel free to correct me if you deny that you have:

the Greek flag, the Greek language, the Greek TV channels, the Greek songs, the Greek stars, the Greek policies, the Greek allegiance, the Greek religion, the Greek food...

and

hell you even wanted to become Greece just recently

But that is not the ESSENCE of your argument Murataga. The essence of your response was that the GCs are not indigenous because they have all come from Greece! Isn’t that what you were trying to say?

So do you have any material to prove this Murataga? If you don't, and I know you don't because it's crap, then please quit wasting time with unfounded rubbish! Thank you.

Now, do you care to respond to the psycological factor I have raised that TCs inherit or do you think it is not important?