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[Viewpoint]

Yep, got to admit that you two( Eric and Murat) are a little peculiar in your approach. Read the whole highlighted sentence again. What are you so shocked about? The application of the acquis communautaire? Characteristics of a European society in Harmony with the rest of the island? In view of these qualifieres Osmosis has the meaning of constant contact and communication, not assimilation. You guys were obviously not very good at high school biology. Effortless in this case means not forced, without pressure. And he already outlined the solution as bizonal and federal in his opening paragraph. In short you are deliberately distorting the meaning.

I am no fan of Pap, but not too happy to be fed propaganda either.

How meaningful is a man`s word for bicommunal bizonal federation when he openly admits his agenda for assimilation? There is no problem that we improve more towards a European society but I see no need that we have to be assimilated/absorbed by a community that tried to annihilate and tries to dominate us.

The problem is that we have never been able to persuade the TCs to assimilate and be an effective part of the RoC hence the partition we face today. It's your reluctance to integrate that has messed things up and we are having to make huge sacrifices to please the TC's the whole time. You are spoilt and selfish. You need to learn to accept compromise.

No one has ever tried to "dominate" the TCs in the RoC. They had more than their fair share of power. You are just reflecting your current state of unease because you are NOW dominated by Turkey.

Like to clarify these sweeping statements? if you can. What was 1963 to 1974?

1963 to 1974 was our struggle to defend ourselves against the constant onslaught of TCs wanting partition . . . proof being that they now have what they kept fighting and killing us for during that period.

The huge sacrifices are the resources the TCs still use up, not just utilities, but diplomatic efforts that constantly make them the centre of attention when we should be concentrating on the higher things in life. The TCs are behaving like the disruptive schoolboy that always wants the teacher's attention. Consequently every-ones progress is suspended.

Rest my case, your comments confirm your own ignorance and brain washed approach that will ensure you get nowhere.

[Kifeas]

Murataga wrote:-
We are not a minority. And obviously our history and ties with the GCs is different than that of Armenian Cypriots with GCs. I wonder how a Bosnian or an Albanian minority would do under GCs?...

18% of the population means a minority to me. 80% of the population means a majority. Where the hell did you go to school, or did they not teach maths?

I really don`t give a sh.. about YOUR personal interpretation of who we are in Cyprus as TCs. Minorities in Cyprus are openly stated and adressed with their ethnic names in the RoC constitution. So are the two communities that signed into the Agreements that made the existence of the RoC possible in the firts place. Check the names that exist in these two places of the RoC constitution and come back again.

These people cannot accept the simple fact of life that the TC community constitutes a numerical minority, something the entire world knows, and you tell me there is ever a chance in a million to communicate and make sense with them! How can anyone communicate with them, if no one in the world can speak their language of mind!

[Kifeas]

Yep, got to admit that you two( Eric and Murat) are a little peculiar in your approach. Read the whole highlighted sentence again. What are you so shocked about? The application of the acquis communautaire? Characteristics of a European society in Harmony with the rest of the island? In view of these qualifieres Osmosis has the meaning of constant contact and communication, not assimilation. You guys were obviously not very good at high school biology. Effortless in this case means not forced, without pressure. And he already outlined the solution as bizonal and federal in his opening paragraph. In short you are deliberately distorting the meaning.

I am no fan of Pap, but not too happy to be fed propaganda either.

How meaningful is a man`s word for bicommunal bizonal federation when he openly admits his agenda for assimilation? There is no problem that we improve more towards a European society but I see no need that we have to be assimilated/absorbed by a community that tried to annihilate and tries to dominate us.

The problem is that we have never been able to persuade the TCs to assimilate and be an effective part of the RoC hence the partition we face today. It's your reluctance to integrate that has messed things up and we are having to make huge sacrifices to please the TC's the whole time. You are spoilt and selfish. You need to learn to accept compromise.

No one has ever tried to "dominate" the TCs in the RoC. They had more than their fair share of power. You are just reflecting your current state of unease because you are NOW dominated by Turkey.

Like to clarify these sweeping statements? if you can. What was 1963 to 1974?

1963 to 1974 was our struggle to defend ourselves against the constant onslaught of TCs wanting partition . . . proof being that they now have what they kept fighting and killing us for during that period.

The huge sacrifices are the resources the TCs still use up, not just utilities, but diplomatic efforts that constantly make them the centre of attention when we should be concentrating on the higher things in life. The TCs are behaving like the disruptive schoolboy that always wants the teacher's attention. Consequently every-ones progress is suspended.

Rest my case, your comments confirm your own ignorance and brain washed approach that we get you nowhere.

VP, can you please tell me what is your personal vision of the future, in relation to the conclusion of the Cyprus issue?

[Viewpoint]

Murataga wrote:-
We are not a minority. And obviously our history and ties with the GCs is different than that of Armenian Cypriots with GCs. I wonder how a Bosnian or an Albanian minority would do under GCs?...

18% of the population means a minority to me. 80% of the population means a majority. Where the hell did you go to school, or did they not teach maths?

I really don`t give a sh.. about YOUR personal interpretation of who we are in Cyprus as TCs. Minorities in Cyprus are openly stated and adressed with their ethnic names in the RoC constitution. So are the two communities that signed into the Agreements that made the existence of the RoC possible in the firts place. Check the names that exist in these two places of the RoC constitution and come back again.

These people cannot accept the simple fact of life that the TC community constitutes a numerical minority, something the entire world knows, and you tell me there is ever a chance in a million to communicate and make sense with them! How can anyone communicate with them, if no one in the world can speak their language of mind!

It was the same with Serbia & Montenegro, one was a numerical minority but they had a partnership...my height may be less than yours but this does not make me any less a partner and my say has just as much weight as yours when will you understand this.

[Viewpoint]

Yep, got to admit that you two( Eric and Murat) are a little peculiar in your approach. Read the whole highlighted sentence again. What are you so shocked about? The application of the acquis communautaire? Characteristics of a European society in Harmony with the rest of the island? In view of these qualifieres Osmosis has the meaning of constant contact and communication, not assimilation. You guys were obviously not very good at high school biology. Effortless in this case means not forced, without pressure. And he already outlined the solution as bizonal and federal in his opening paragraph. In short you are deliberately distorting the meaning.

I am no fan of Pap, but not too happy to be fed propaganda either.

How meaningful is a man`s word for bicommunal bizonal federation when he openly admits his agenda for assimilation? There is no problem that we improve more towards a European society but I see no need that we have to be assimilated/absorbed by a community that tried to annihilate and tries to dominate us.

The problem is that we have never been able to persuade the TCs to assimilate and be an effective part of the RoC hence the partition we face today. It's your reluctance to integrate that has messed things up and we are having to make huge sacrifices to please the TC's the whole time. You are spoilt and selfish. You need to learn to accept compromise.

No one has ever tried to "dominate" the TCs in the RoC. They had more than their fair share of power. You are just reflecting your current state of unease because you are NOW dominated by Turkey.

Like to clarify these sweeping statements? if you can. What was 1963 to 1974?

1963 to 1974 was our struggle to defend ourselves against the constant onslaught of TCs wanting partition . . . proof being that they now have what they kept fighting and killing us for during that period.

The huge sacrifices are the resources the TCs still use up, not just utilities, but diplomatic efforts that constantly make them the centre of attention when we should be concentrating on the higher things in life. The TCs are behaving like the disruptive schoolboy that always wants the teacher's attention. Consequently every-ones progress is suspended.

Rest my case, your comments confirm your own ignorance and brain washed approach that we get you nowhere.

VP, can you please tell me what is your personal vision of the future, in relation to the conclusion of the Cyprus issue?

Kifeas we have discussed this many times I thought you would know by now.

[phoenix]

Yep, got to admit that you two( Eric and Murat) are a little peculiar in your approach. Read the whole highlighted sentence again. What are you so shocked about? The application of the acquis communautaire? Characteristics of a European society in Harmony with the rest of the island? In view of these qualifieres Osmosis has the meaning of constant contact and communication, not assimilation. You guys were obviously not very good at high school biology. Effortless in this case means not forced, without pressure. And he already outlined the solution as bizonal and federal in his opening paragraph. In short you are deliberately distorting the meaning.

I am no fan of Pap, but not too happy to be fed propaganda either.

How meaningful is a man`s word for bicommunal bizonal federation when he openly admits his agenda for assimilation? There is no problem that we improve more towards a European society but I see no need that we have to be assimilated/absorbed by a community that tried to annihilate and tries to dominate us.

The problem is that we have never been able to persuade the TCs to assimilate and be an effective part of the RoC hence the partition we face today. It's your reluctance to integrate that has messed things up and we are having to make huge sacrifices to please the TC's the whole time. You are spoilt and selfish. You need to learn to accept compromise.

No one has ever tried to "dominate" the TCs in the RoC. They had more than their fair share of power. You are just reflecting your current state of unease because you are NOW dominated by Turkey.

Like to clarify these sweeping statements? if you can. What was 1963 to 1974?

1963 to 1974 was our struggle to defend ourselves against the constant onslaught of TCs wanting partition . . . proof being that they now have what they kept fighting and killing us for during that period.

The huge sacrifices are the resources the TCs still use up, not just utilities, but diplomatic efforts that constantly make them the centre of attention when we should be concentrating on the higher things in life. The TCs are behaving like the disruptive schoolboy that always wants the teacher's attention. Consequently every-ones progress is suspended.

Rest my case, your comments confirm your own ignorance and brain washed approach that we get you nowhere.

Resting your nutcase?

Such petulance is again proof that TCs are so full of their own importance that they go off in a huff as soon as someone does not accept their bleatings.

Shut yourselves off in the north and stew!

[Viewpoint]

Yep, got to admit that you two( Eric and Murat) are a little peculiar in your approach. Read the whole highlighted sentence again. What are you so shocked about? The application of the acquis communautaire? Characteristics of a European society in Harmony with the rest of the island? In view of these qualifieres Osmosis has the meaning of constant contact and communication, not assimilation. You guys were obviously not very good at high school biology. Effortless in this case means not forced, without pressure. And he already outlined the solution as bizonal and federal in his opening paragraph. In short you are deliberately distorting the meaning.

I am no fan of Pap, but not too happy to be fed propaganda either.

How meaningful is a man`s word for bicommunal bizonal federation when he openly admits his agenda for assimilation? There is no problem that we improve more towards a European society but I see no need that we have to be assimilated/absorbed by a community that tried to annihilate and tries to dominate us.

The problem is that we have never been able to persuade the TCs to assimilate and be an effective part of the RoC hence the partition we face today. It's your reluctance to integrate that has messed things up and we are having to make huge sacrifices to please the TC's the whole time. You are spoilt and selfish. You need to learn to accept compromise.

No one has ever tried to "dominate" the TCs in the RoC. They had more than their fair share of power. You are just reflecting your current state of unease because you are NOW dominated by Turkey.

Like to clarify these sweeping statements? if you can. What was 1963 to 1974?

1963 to 1974 was our struggle to defend ourselves against the constant onslaught of TCs wanting partition . . . proof being that they now have what they kept fighting and killing us for during that period.

The huge sacrifices are the resources the TCs still use up, not just utilities, but diplomatic efforts that constantly make them the centre of attention when we should be concentrating on the higher things in life. The TCs are behaving like the disruptive schoolboy that always wants the teacher's attention. Consequently every-ones progress is suspended.

Rest my case, your comments confirm your own ignorance and brain washed approach that we get you nowhere.

Resting your nutcase?

Such petulance is again proof that TCs are so full of their own importance that they go off in a huff as soon as someone does not accept their bleatings.

Shut yourselves off in the north and stew!

You are lost case, theres no need to debate with you as your comments confirm how misguided you are and there noway you will accept anything put forward, so why bother you can stew in your own ignorance and that will insure this island will stay divided.

[Kifeas]

Murataga wrote:-
We are not a minority. And obviously our history and ties with the GCs is different than that of Armenian Cypriots with GCs. I wonder how a Bosnian or an Albanian minority would do under GCs?...

18% of the population means a minority to me. 80% of the population means a majority. Where the hell did you go to school, or did they not teach maths?

I really don`t give a sh.. about YOUR personal interpretation of who we are in Cyprus as TCs. Minorities in Cyprus are openly stated and adressed with their ethnic names in the RoC constitution. So are the two communities that signed into the Agreements that made the existence of the RoC possible in the firts place. Check the names that exist in these two places of the RoC constitution and come back again.

These people cannot accept the simple fact of life that the TC community constitutes a numerical minority, something the entire world knows, and you tell me there is ever a chance in a million to communicate and make sense with them! How can anyone communicate with them, if no one in the world can speak their language of mind!

It was the same with Serbia & Montenegro, one was a numerical minority but they had a partnership...my height may be less than yours but this does not make me any less a partner and my say has just as much weight as yours when will you understand this.

I am afraid you are using an inappropriate and fallacious example, when referring to the height of a person!

Furthermore, Serbia and Montenegro are not relevant in our case. The two were de jure member states of an already existing federal nation-state, the Yugoslavian one; whereas in our case, de jure we are simply two or more ethnic communities of Cypriot citizens of a one single and unitary nation-state! The merits of each case are entirely different!

[phoenix]

Yep, got to admit that you two( Eric and Murat) are a little peculiar in your approach. Read the whole highlighted sentence again. What are you so shocked about? The application of the acquis communautaire? Characteristics of a European society in Harmony with the rest of the island? In view of these qualifieres Osmosis has the meaning of constant contact and communication, not assimilation. You guys were obviously not very good at high school biology. Effortless in this case means not forced, without pressure. And he already outlined the solution as bizonal and federal in his opening paragraph. In short you are deliberately distorting the meaning.

I am no fan of Pap, but not too happy to be fed propaganda either.

How meaningful is a man`s word for bicommunal bizonal federation when he openly admits his agenda for assimilation? There is no problem that we improve more towards a European society but I see no need that we have to be assimilated/absorbed by a community that tried to annihilate and tries to dominate us.

The problem is that we have never been able to persuade the TCs to assimilate and be an effective part of the RoC hence the partition we face today. It's your reluctance to integrate that has messed things up and we are having to make huge sacrifices to please the TC's the whole time. You are spoilt and selfish. You need to learn to accept compromise.

No one has ever tried to "dominate" the TCs in the RoC. They had more than their fair share of power. You are just reflecting your current state of unease because you are NOW dominated by Turkey.

Like to clarify these sweeping statements? if you can. What was 1963 to 1974?

1963 to 1974 was our struggle to defend ourselves against the constant onslaught of TCs wanting partition . . . proof being that they now have what they kept fighting and killing us for during that period.

The huge sacrifices are the resources the TCs still use up, not just utilities, but diplomatic efforts that constantly make them the centre of attention when we should be concentrating on the higher things in life. The TCs are behaving like the disruptive schoolboy that always wants the teacher's attention. Consequently every-ones progress is suspended.

Rest my case, your comments confirm your own ignorance and brain washed approach that we get you nowhere.

Resting your nutcase?

Such petulance is again proof that TCs are so full of their own importance that they go off in a huff as soon as someone does not accept their bleatings.

Shut yourselves off in the north and stew!

You are lost case, theres no need to debate with you as your comments confirm how misguided you are and there noway you will accept anything put forward, so why bother you can stew in your own ignorance and that will insure this island will stay divided.

You do NOT debate VP.

Kifeas has asked you questions above and you refuse to give an answer. When you asked me to clarify my points above, I DID. When you don't like what you hear, you just make an excuse to depart.

You do NOT debate VP. You bleat like a sheep.

Why do you say I am misguided?. . .

. . . because I am not guided by Turkey?

Enjoy your time in the Sun with your motherland because we ARE reclaiming our island.

[Kifeas]

VP, can you please tell me what is your personal vision of the future, in relation to the conclusion of the Cyprus issue?

Kifeas we have discussed this many times I thought you would know by now.

Can you reconfirm this, since so many things have been said that I am confused as to what exactly your vision is?