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[Eric dayi]

Thanks for a great post VP. Each time I do understand a little more thanx. Yes I agree the youth don't feel part of the RoC thats because they are not presently. My understanding is that a number of young TC children attend schools in the RoC, is that not right? Those young people will eventually form friendships with peers and more interaction will begin to take place therefore confidence and trust will naturally take place. Lets face it, It is probably closer to go to the beach in Kerinia than any other town from Lefkosia. I am not trying to change your views by this but just simply expressing what will happen in Cyprus in ten years or so years. Whether a solution or not. Once you begin to have teriary education exchange in the so called other side the more the social domain in cyprus will take place and more social interaction will occur. And as much as I do not value a class based society the each class with its own structures will enhance relations. For example if you love the symphony and you know that a great artist from the Turkish community is perfrming are you not going to travel to Kyrnia to hear them perform? I doubt it. if you really love the balet and its is your country an hour and a half away will you not go?

You are obviously not aware that the number of TC children in education in the south are only a handful and those will not have a great impact on the population of the north. We have interaction now what has changed only a hardening of views in fact we have gone backwards not forwards, the "RoC" have to take drastic measure if they want to win anyone over their current policies will never pay dividends and the chasm will get wider, that's how I see the future. Although your intentions are admirable they will not work under the current climate.

Great postings VP, I love the way you write and let them know the truth.

The problem with the GCs is that they don't see or want to see that once the TCs found out they can live a happy and peaceful life without the GCs even under embargoes, there's no way they are going to give that up and go into certain slavery and eventual extinction in a GC/Greek ruled country.

When the GCs heard that the border would be opened they (the good ones) packed food into plastic bags to take to their old neighbours whom they were forced to believe by GC lies and propaganda, were "starving", living in tents, caves and houses without roofs. What a shock they got though when they crossed over the first time.

With the growing negative attitude of the GCs towards the TCs the TC youth today are as much against living under GC domination as us "oldies" are, especially because of the growing economy in the KKTC. The GCs are very aware of the fact that if the economy keeps growing and the KKTC can stand on it's own feet then the need to kiss GC arse days are over for good and hence why they won't "allow" the embargoes to be lifted. This is what one would call a 21st century siege gone badly wrong, thank God.

The GCs also only see and use as propaganda the few TCs who do go over to the "RoC" but fail to see the majority who do not, never want to or have done, even most of today's youth. And even though their (GCs) own newspapers report that the numbers of those who cross over is getting less and less some in this forum try to lie and cover it up and still try to spread false propaganda.

Some try to make us accept "osmosis" by shouting and screaming, some try it with threats to beat us up or kill us, some even try it by scaring us with war. And then there are those who think they have a "sweet tongue".

[free_cyprus]

Thanks for a great post VP. Each time I do understand a little more thanx. Yes I agree the youth don't feel part of the RoC thats because they are not presently. My understanding is that a number of young TC children attend schools in the RoC, is that not right? Those young people will eventually form friendships with peers and more interaction will begin to take place therefore confidence and trust will naturally take place. Lets face it, It is probably closer to go to the beach in Kerinia than any other town from Lefkosia. I am not trying to change your views by this but just simply expressing what will happen in Cyprus in ten years or so years. Whether a solution or not. Once you begin to have teriary education exchange in the so called other side the more the social domain in cyprus will take place and more social interaction will occur. And as much as I do not value a class based society the each class with its own structures will enhance relations. For example if you love the symphony and you know that a great artist from the Turkish community is perfrming are you not going to travel to Kyrnia to hear them perform? I doubt it. if you really love the balet and its is your country an hour and a half away will you not go?

You are obviously not aware that the number of TC children in education in the south are only a handful and those will not have a great impact on the population of the north. We have interaction now what has changed only a hardening of views in fact we have gone backwards not forwards, the "RoC" have to take drastic measure if they want to win anyone over their current policies will never pay dividends and the chasm will get wider, that's how I see the future. Although your intentions are admirable they will not work under the current climate.

Great postings VP, I love the way you write and let them know the truth.

The problem with the GCs is that they don't see or want to see that once the TCs found out they can live a happy and peaceful life without the GCs even under embargoes, there's no way they are going to give that up and go into certain slavery and eventual extinction in a GC/Greek ruled country.

When the GCs heard that the border would be opened they (the good ones) packed food into plastic bags to take to their old neighbours whom they were forced to believe by GC lies and propaganda, were "starving", living in tents, caves and houses without roofs. What a shock they got though when they crossed over the first time.

With the growing negative attitude of the GCs towards the TCs the TC youth today are as much against living under GC domination as us "oldies" are, especially because of the growing economy in the KKTC. The GCs are very aware of the fact that if the economy keeps growing and the KKTC can stand on it's own feet then the need to kiss GC arse days are over for good and hence why they won't "allow" the embargoes to be lifted. This is what one would call a 21st century siege gone badly wrong, thank God.

The GCs also only see and use as propaganda the few TCs who do go over to the "RoC" but fail to see the majority who do not, never want to or have done, even most of today's youth. And even though their (GCs) own newspapers report that the numbers of those who cross over is getting less and less some in this forum try to lie and cover it up and still try to spread false propaganda.

Some try to make us accept "osmosis" by shouting and screaming, some try it with threats to beat us up or kill us, some even try it by scaring us with war. And then there are those who think they have a "sweet tongue".

everything that is run by greek speaking and turkish speaking goverment sponsored radio t v and newspapers have one think in common devide and rule, i have seen this with my own eyes in turkish radio greek radio turkish speakign soo called cypriot embassy in london and the soo called roc embassy in london or high commision if you like........................ not only is this alive in london but its alive all over the world where theres cypriots, cypriots are their own worse enemy when it comes to cyprus, it was cypriots who betrayed their own island by becoming agents of turkey and greece in the fifties it was cypriots who continued in the sixties and seventies with this hate campain towards each other, and now you are sitting here teling me your aturk you and everyone else in forum who are originaly from cyprus could have ten difrent back grounds to the amount of times we have been invaded and ruled, how can any culture remain pure over a period of 3000 year rule
where is your brains, sudently mr eric dayi has become a trukish cypriot while other are greek cypriots i have heard somany arguments in my life but i have never heard such bull shit as i hear coming from thsi forum regarding cypriots and their identity, im a cypriot......................now if you lot want to be greeks and turks then fine soo be it

[halil]

Turkish Cypriots on the Cyprus problem

94. There is still a pro-solution leadership in northern Cyprus but their support should not be taken for granted. There are worrying trends as most Turkish Cypriots feel they have not been rewarded for the 'yes' vote and that the EU has not delivered on its promises, particularly on direct trade. Turkish Cypriots feel sandwiched between the EU and Turkey and want to see early progress on the Cyprus problem using the United Nations, not the European Union. Turkish Cypriots want to make an honest living and develop their own economy, particularly in the area of tourism, rather than to rely on aid. They also want direct trade with the EU.

95. The two sides are at a stalemate. The Greek Cypriots are very comfortable with the status quo and have little incentive to move things along. This is unacceptable to the Turkish Cypriots, whose fate depends on a solution to the Cyprus problem. Recognition and full legitimacy as part of a unified state of Cyprus is their goal.

96. Holders of passports issued by the 'TRNC' may enter the US, UK, France Pakistan and a few other countries, but are otherwise severely restricted in where they can travel.[3] Ending the isolation of the Turkish Cypriots would be an important step towards a comprehensive solution, but it is not an alternative to such a solution. It is nonetheless a very important issue in its own right. Ending isolation is not just about trade and direct flights, it is also about other issues such as sporting links, membership of international organisations, postal addresses and telephone codes. The 'TRNC' attaches importance to achieving Turkish Cypriot participation in the Bologna process.[4]

97. President Papadopoulos has still not set out his demands. It is not clear to Turkish Cypriots what he wants, and therefore Turkish Cypriots say they do not know what they need to do in order to meet Greek Cypriot concerns. The 'areas of concern' presented by Papadopoulos to Sir Kieran Prendergast in 2004 were too broad and too vague. He needs to be more specific.

98. Turkish Cypriots feel that the dynamic on the island is very negative. They do not think the Greek Cypriots really want a solution. It is therefore important for the international community to lift the isolation of the Turkish Cypriots, particularly through direct flights. Turkish Cypriots feel they did the right thing in approving the Annan Plan, but they have not benefited. Turkish Cypriots are being blocked on trade to Europe, the Middle East and within the island. Only direct flights and trade will change Greek Cypriot attitudes. These issues have to be negotiated and discussed with the Turkish Cypriot community, not with Turkey.

99. Turkish Cypriots would not feel comfortable about the possibility of UNFICYP withdrawal, because they do not trust the Greek Cypriots. Nonetheless, there is no recent history of violence on the Green Line. The Turkish army should continue to provide guarantees for the Turkish Cypriot community while both communities work towards an agreed settlement. Any permanent reduction in Turkish troop numbers should take place as part of an overall settlement of the Cyprus problem. The National Guard in the south includes a substantial mainland Greek component. In all, 80,000 Greek Cypriots have weapons, and all men in the south receive military training. The Turkish army presence in Cyprus is seen by 90% of Turkish Cypriots as essential for their security. For the army to leave, other guarantees will have to be in place.

100. There are 6 universities in northern Cyprus. Most of the students are from Muslim countries. Many of them are Palestinians, and there is also a large group from the Balkans. The exclusion of these universities from the Bologna process, and therefore from pan-European programmes such as Erasmus, is making them uncompetitive in the higher education market.

101. There is a lack of incentives for the two sides to cooperate—this is especially true in the case of the Greek Cypriots. A referendum now on the Annan Plan would be pointless as the Greek Cypriots would vote 'No'. A referendum should only be held when there is a strong probability that both sides will vote 'Yes'. In the north, support is growing for independence, but public opinion could still be won round for reunification on the right terms.

102. One Turkish Cypriot interlocutor suggested that President Papadopoulos' preferred outcomes to the Cyprus problem can be ranked as follows:

'Osmosis' (Greek Cyprus absorbs Turkish Cyprus)
The status quo
Negotiated partition
A truly federal state
103. He said that most Turkish Cypriots, on the other hand, would rank their preferences thus:

A truly federal state
Partition (ie, an independent Turkish Cypriot state)
The status quo

source
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... /47305.htm

[Eric dayi]

Turkish Cypriots on the Cyprus problem

94. There is still a pro-solution leadership in northern Cyprus but their support should not be taken for granted. There are worrying trends as most Turkish Cypriots feel they have not been rewarded for the 'yes' vote and that the EU has not delivered on its promises, particularly on direct trade. Turkish Cypriots feel sandwiched between the EU and Turkey and want to see early progress on the Cyprus problem using the United Nations, not the European Union. Turkish Cypriots want to make an honest living and develop their own economy, particularly in the area of tourism, rather than to rely on aid. They also want direct trade with the EU.

95. The two sides are at a stalemate. The Greek Cypriots are very comfortable with the status quo and have little incentive to move things along. This is unacceptable to the Turkish Cypriots, whose fate depends on a solution to the Cyprus problem. Recognition and full legitimacy as part of a unified state of Cyprus is their goal.

96. Holders of passports issued by the 'TRNC' may enter the US, UK, France Pakistan and a few other countries, but are otherwise severely restricted in where they can travel.[3] Ending the isolation of the Turkish Cypriots would be an important step towards a comprehensive solution, but it is not an alternative to such a solution. It is nonetheless a very important issue in its own right. Ending isolation is not just about trade and direct flights, it is also about other issues such as sporting links, membership of international organisations, postal addresses and telephone codes. The 'TRNC' attaches importance to achieving Turkish Cypriot participation in the Bologna process.[4]

97. President Papadopoulos has still not set out his demands. It is not clear to Turkish Cypriots what he wants, and therefore Turkish Cypriots say they do not know what they need to do in order to meet Greek Cypriot concerns. The 'areas of concern' presented by Papadopoulos to Sir Kieran Prendergast in 2004 were too broad and too vague. He needs to be more specific.

98. Turkish Cypriots feel that the dynamic on the island is very negative. They do not think the Greek Cypriots really want a solution. It is therefore important for the international community to lift the isolation of the Turkish Cypriots, particularly through direct flights. Turkish Cypriots feel they did the right thing in approving the Annan Plan, but they have not benefited. Turkish Cypriots are being blocked on trade to Europe, the Middle East and within the island. Only direct flights and trade will change Greek Cypriot attitudes. These issues have to be negotiated and discussed with the Turkish Cypriot community, not with Turkey.

99. Turkish Cypriots would not feel comfortable about the possibility of UNFICYP withdrawal, because they do not trust the Greek Cypriots. Nonetheless, there is no recent history of violence on the Green Line. The Turkish army should continue to provide guarantees for the Turkish Cypriot community while both communities work towards an agreed settlement. Any permanent reduction in Turkish troop numbers should take place as part of an overall settlement of the Cyprus problem. The National Guard in the south includes a substantial mainland Greek component. In all, 80,000 Greek Cypriots have weapons, and all men in the south receive military training. The Turkish army presence in Cyprus is seen by 90% of Turkish Cypriots as essential for their security. For the army to leave, other guarantees will have to be in place.

100. There are 6 universities in northern Cyprus. Most of the students are from Muslim countries. Many of them are Palestinians, and there is also a large group from the Balkans. The exclusion of these universities from the Bologna process, and therefore from pan-European programmes such as Erasmus, is making them uncompetitive in the higher education market.

101. There is a lack of incentives for the two sides to cooperate—this is especially true in the case of the Greek Cypriots. A referendum now on the Annan Plan would be pointless as the Greek Cypriots would vote 'No'. A referendum should only be held when there is a strong probability that both sides will vote 'Yes'. In the north, support is growing for independence, but public opinion could still be won round for reunification on the right terms.

102. One Turkish Cypriot interlocutor suggested that President Papadopoulos' preferred outcomes to the Cyprus problem can be ranked as follows:

'Osmosis' (Greek Cyprus absorbs Turkish Cyprus)
The status quo
Negotiated partition
A truly federal state
103. He said that most Turkish Cypriots, on the other hand, would rank their preferences thus:

A truly federal state
Partition (ie, an independent Turkish Cypriot state)
The status quo

source
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... /47305.htm

Thank you Halil, this puts the lies and the propaganda of the GCs (especially in this forum) right where it belongs, where the sun don't shine.

[DT.]

Turkish Cypriots on the Cyprus problem

94. There is still a pro-solution leadership in northern Cyprus but their support should not be taken for granted. There are worrying trends as most Turkish Cypriots feel they have not been rewarded for the 'yes' vote and that the EU has not delivered on its promises, particularly on direct trade. Turkish Cypriots feel sandwiched between the EU and Turkey and want to see early progress on the Cyprus problem using the United Nations, not the European Union. Turkish Cypriots want to make an honest living and develop their own economy, particularly in the area of tourism, rather than to rely on aid. They also want direct trade with the EU.

95. The two sides are at a stalemate. The Greek Cypriots are very comfortable with the status quo and have little incentive to move things along. This is unacceptable to the Turkish Cypriots, whose fate depends on a solution to the Cyprus problem. Recognition and full legitimacy as part of a unified state of Cyprus is their goal.

96. Holders of passports issued by the 'TRNC' may enter the US, UK, France Pakistan and a few other countries, but are otherwise severely restricted in where they can travel.[3] Ending the isolation of the Turkish Cypriots would be an important step towards a comprehensive solution, but it is not an alternative to such a solution. It is nonetheless a very important issue in its own right. Ending isolation is not just about trade and direct flights, it is also about other issues such as sporting links, membership of international organisations, postal addresses and telephone codes. The 'TRNC' attaches importance to achieving Turkish Cypriot participation in the Bologna process.[4]

97. President Papadopoulos has still not set out his demands. It is not clear to Turkish Cypriots what he wants, and therefore Turkish Cypriots say they do not know what they need to do in order to meet Greek Cypriot concerns. The 'areas of concern' presented by Papadopoulos to Sir Kieran Prendergast in 2004 were too broad and too vague. He needs to be more specific.

98. Turkish Cypriots feel that the dynamic on the island is very negative. They do not think the Greek Cypriots really want a solution. It is therefore important for the international community to lift the isolation of the Turkish Cypriots, particularly through direct flights. Turkish Cypriots feel they did the right thing in approving the Annan Plan, but they have not benefited. Turkish Cypriots are being blocked on trade to Europe, the Middle East and within the island. Only direct flights and trade will change Greek Cypriot attitudes. These issues have to be negotiated and discussed with the Turkish Cypriot community, not with Turkey.

99. Turkish Cypriots would not feel comfortable about the possibility of UNFICYP withdrawal, because they do not trust the Greek Cypriots. Nonetheless, there is no recent history of violence on the Green Line. The Turkish army should continue to provide guarantees for the Turkish Cypriot community while both communities work towards an agreed settlement. Any permanent reduction in Turkish troop numbers should take place as part of an overall settlement of the Cyprus problem. The National Guard in the south includes a substantial mainland Greek component. In all, 80,000 Greek Cypriots have weapons, and all men in the south receive military training. The Turkish army presence in Cyprus is seen by 90% of Turkish Cypriots as essential for their security. For the army to leave, other guarantees will have to be in place.

100. There are 6 universities in northern Cyprus. Most of the students are from Muslim countries. Many of them are Palestinians, and there is also a large group from the Balkans. The exclusion of these universities from the Bologna process, and therefore from pan-European programmes such as Erasmus, is making them uncompetitive in the higher education market.

101. There is a lack of incentives for the two sides to cooperate—this is especially true in the case of the Greek Cypriots. A referendum now on the Annan Plan would be pointless as the Greek Cypriots would vote 'No'. A referendum should only be held when there is a strong probability that both sides will vote 'Yes'. In the north, support is growing for independence, but public opinion could still be won round for reunification on the right terms.

102. One Turkish Cypriot interlocutor suggested that President Papadopoulos' preferred outcomes to the Cyprus problem can be ranked as follows:

'Osmosis' (Greek Cyprus absorbs Turkish Cyprus)
The status quo
Negotiated partition
A truly federal state
103. He said that most Turkish Cypriots, on the other hand, would rank their preferences thus:

A truly federal state
Partition (ie, an independent Turkish Cypriot state)
The status quo

source
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... /47305.htm

Thank you Halil, this puts the lies and the propaganda of the GCs (especially in this forum) right where it belongs, where the sun don't shine.

Have you noticed that all you do in this forum is act like a cheerleader? You've never really written anything of substance, just cheer when a tc writes (that agrees with you) and jeer when a GC writes...

the only question remaining is how good do you look in a skirt?

[Kikapu]

Turkish Cypriots on the Cyprus problem

94. Turkish Cypriots feel they have not been rewarded for the 'yes' vote and that the EU has not delivered on its promises, particularly on direct trade. Turkish Cypriots feel sandwiched between the EU and Turkey and want to see early progress on the Cyprus problem using the United Nations, not the European Union. Turkish Cypriots want to make an honest living and develop their own economy, particularly in the area of tourism, rather than to rely on aid. They also want direct trade with the EU.

These topics were discussed at the September 5th meeting Halil.

Here are the excerpts from that meeting.

You can read the full report here:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=13198

Talat : No Tassos, I don’t have too much time you know. I mean, I have a country to run. It’s not easy trying to get recognition to the TRNC from the EU or the UN. I’m knocking on every fucking door, and no response. Those fuckers at the EU told us we would benefit from our Yes vote on the AP, and not a single thing that is meaningful has come our way from them.

Papadopoulous : Heh heh. Yes I know what the EU and the UN are not giving you guys on what they promised. To be honest with you Mehmet, they were just fucking with you with those empty promises, so forget about them giving you anything. But let me get back to Lana for a minute

Talat : If we are going to Unify, we need to have Direct Trade and Direct Flight to the North first.

Papadopoulous : No fucking way. Only after you sign on the dotted line first, then you can have all those things.

[Pyrpolizer]

When the GCs heard that the border would be opened they (the good ones) packed food into plastic bags to take to their old neighbours whom they were forced to believe by GC lies and propaganda, were "starving", living in tents, caves and houses without roofs. What a shock they got though when they crossed over the first time.

Another one living in cuckoo land and or dreamland.How would they know where their old neighbours live you fool? (if as per your saying they thought they were living in tents?). What ACTUALLY happened and STILL HAPPENING is they were and still taking food (sanditches,chips,cokes etc) together with them FOR THEIR OWN NEEDS.

And even though their (GCs) own newspapers report that the numbers of those who cross over is getting less and less some in this forum try to lie and cover it up and still try to spread false propaganda.

Ditto.
It's the number of Gcs who cross that became minimal. About 300 a day.
The number of Tcs is increasing in fact from 7,000 a day it is now about 13,000.

[halil]

Turkish Cypriots on the Cyprus problem

94. Turkish Cypriots feel they have not been rewarded for the 'yes' vote and that the EU has not delivered on its promises, particularly on direct trade. Turkish Cypriots feel sandwiched between the EU and Turkey and want to see early progress on the Cyprus problem using the United Nations, not the European Union. Turkish Cypriots want to make an honest living and develop their own economy, particularly in the area of tourism, rather than to rely on aid. They also want direct trade with the EU.

These topics were discussed at the September 5th meeting Halil.

Here are the excerpts from that meeting.

You can read the full report here:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=13198

Talat : No Tassos, I don’t have too much time you know. I mean, I have a country to run. It’s not easy trying to get recognition to the TRNC from the EU or the UN. I’m knocking on every fucking door, and no response. Those fuckers at the EU told us we would benefit from our Yes vote on the AP, and not a single thing that is meaningful has come our way from them.

Papadopoulous : Heh heh. Yes I know what the EU and the UN are not giving you guys on what they promised. To be honest with you Mehmet, they were just fucking with you with those empty promises, so forget about them giving you anything. But let me get back to Lana for a minute

Talat : If we are going to Unify, we need to have Direct Trade and Direct Flight to the North first.

Papadopoulous : No fucking way. Only after you sign on the dotted line first, then you can have all those things.

no,thanks i am not interesting with your comedy series.

[Kikapu]

Turkish Cypriots on the Cyprus problem

94. Turkish Cypriots feel they have not been rewarded for the 'yes' vote and that the EU has not delivered on its promises, particularly on direct trade. Turkish Cypriots feel sandwiched between the EU and Turkey and want to see early progress on the Cyprus problem using the United Nations, not the European Union. Turkish Cypriots want to make an honest living and develop their own economy, particularly in the area of tourism, rather than to rely on aid. They also want direct trade with the EU.

These topics were discussed at the September 5th meeting Halil.

Here are the excerpts from that meeting.

You can read the full report here:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=13198

Talat : No Tassos, I don’t have too much time you know. I mean, I have a country to run. It’s not easy trying to get recognition to the TRNC from the EU or the UN. I’m knocking on every fucking door, and no response. Those fuckers at the EU told us we would benefit from our Yes vote on the AP, and not a single thing that is meaningful has come our way from them.

Papadopoulous : Heh heh. Yes I know what the EU and the UN are not giving you guys on what they promised. To be honest with you Mehmet, they were just fucking with you with those empty promises, so forget about them giving you anything. But let me get back to Lana for a minute

Talat : If we are going to Unify, we need to have Direct Trade and Direct Flight to the North first.

Papadopoulous : No fucking way. Only after you sign on the dotted line first, then you can have all those things.

no,thanks i am not interesting with your comedy series.

Halil,

If you can tell the difference from my "comedy series" to the real situation in Cyprus, you'll win a BIG PRIZE.

[Get Real!]

Thank you Halil, this puts the lies and the propaganda of the GCs (especially in this forum) right where it belongs, where the sun don't shine.

Have you noticed that all you do in this forum is act like a cheerleader? You've never really written anything of substance, just cheer when a tc writes (that agrees with you) and jeer when a GC writes...

the only question remaining is how good do you look in a skirt?

Good post DiropiTta...