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[miltiades]

Well done Eric for standing up to these bullies for what you believe is right, they conveniently forget their own wrongs which is why this all exploded in their faces and lay blame on any and everyone else but themselves. They are so clever that they label people who support partition as an alternative solution as partionists, uggggg well done guys must have taken a lot of thinking to come to that conclusion. You all have to understand that partionists invite you to prove us wrong and find an alternative solution, its been 44 years and you have nothing, the only thing that is working is partition, all we have to do is formalize it and go our separate ways and blame yourselves for not compromising to find middle ground.

As one not born in Cyprus , you really can not decide the future of this island . Recognition , you can crave for it as much as you like It ain't going to happen mate ! Turkey will not be allowed to annexe part of my country of birth not now not ever , and this from a fairly moderated Cypriot .

[Pyrpolizer]

You proved I am a "patitionist"????? Looks like senility has set in early where you are concerned?

I tell everyone that I want partitioning and you claim you have proved I am a "partitionist beyond any reasonable doubt". DOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH!

Don’t get accelerated. The beyond and reasonable doubt goes to your little bluring effort where you said:

Did you really think that I would come and live with the likes of you in a country ruled by your people Greek Cypriots only?

You have ONE TC friend and claim to know all about my people.

Wrong!

So that you can go and spread your lies without a challenge? COWARD.

Is it a lie that you are DirtyLanguageErika???

[Viewpoint]

Well done Eric for standing up to these bullies for what you believe is right, they conveniently forget their own wrongs which is why this all exploded in their faces and lay blame on any and everyone else but themselves. They are so clever that they label people who support partition as an alternative solution as partionists, uggggg well done guys must have taken a lot of thinking to come to that conclusion. You all have to understand that partionists invite you to prove us wrong and find an alternative solution, its been 44 years and you have nothing, the only thing that is working is partition, all we have to do is formalize it and go our separate ways and blame yourselves for not compromising to find middle ground.

As one not born in Cyprus , you really can not decide the future of this island . Recognition , you can crave for it as much as you like It ain't going to happen mate ! Turkey will not be allowed to annexe part of my country of birth not now not ever , and this from a fairly moderated Cypriot .

Do you know I am not against you fighting your own corner and I hope you get somewhere but I can see you will never get what you want due to the reality of the vast chasm that exists between our communities. You are still in denial and need more time to realize your fight is futile. The best solution taking into account that we have not been able to find a compromise for 44 years is to go our separate ways, accepting the consequences.

[Pyrpolizer]

Well done Eric for standing up to these bullies for what you believe is right, they conveniently forget their own wrongs which is why this all exploded in their faces and lay blame on any and everyone else but themselves. They are so clever that they label people who support partition as an alternative solution as partionists, uggggg well done guys must have taken a lot of thinking to come to that conclusion. You all have to understand that partionists invite you to prove us wrong and find an alternative solution, its been 44 years and you have nothing, the only thing that is working is partition, all we have to do is formalize it and go our separate ways and blame yourselves for not compromising to find middle ground.

For Dayi partition is NOT an alternative is his first option
His alternative is annexation by Turkey.
When Dayi speaks for partition he wants to have all the 37% occupied part of Cyprus.
So there are huge differences between you partitionists.

Never mind you will never be allowed to get ANY part of OUR country and run away with partition, so you all better start wiping off your dreams.

even your mama Turka will NEVER let you slip away from her with a recognised state

[Kikapu]

Do you know I am not against you fighting your own corner and I hope you get somewhere but I can see you will never get what you want due to the reality of the vast chasm that exists between our communities. You are still in denial and need more time to realize your fight is futile. The best solution taking into account that we have not been able to find a compromise for 44 years is to go our separate ways, accepting the consequences.

VP, this was discussed on the September 5th meeting. The options for a settlement were laid out.

Here is an excerpt from that meeting. Pay a close attention to the words "Yeah right, pigs will fly also".

Read the full report here:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=13198

Papadopoulous : Mehmet, let me give you your options as far as we are concerned. You can come back to the RoC and take your place as Vice President, or we give you full recognition for a partition if you take only 18%, or we stay as we are, which would be the same as for the last 33 years.

Talat : Or we stay as we are until we get recognition and keep all of 37%. VP tells me we can do it within the next 10 years.

Papadopoulous : Yeh right, and Pigs will fly also, just like Miltiades’s pork chop.

[Kikapu]

even your mama Turka will NEVER let you slip away from her with a recognised state

Pyro, Turkey cannot afford to allow any recognition to the "TRNC". It is a very simple case of Arithmetic's. The need of 125,000 Turkish Cypriots to the need of 70 Million Turks when faced with the choice, regarding her EU bid.

I would not be surprised if Turkey sends messages ahead of Talat's visits to countries for recognition, telling them to ignore Talat.

[Kifeas]

even your mama Turka will NEVER let you slip away from her with a recognised state

Pyro, Turkey cannot afford to allow any recognition to the "TRNC". It is a very simple case of Arithmetic's. The need of 125,000 Turkish Cypriots to the need of 70 Million Turks when faced with the choice, regarding her EU bid.

I would not be surprised if Turkey sends messages ahead of Talat's visits to countries for recognition, telling them to ignore Talat.

The case of recognition is a dead one! No country in the world will take a step visa vie the affairs and status quo of an EU member state, before and without the EU doing so first! No country is so stupid to poke its nose into something from which not only it has no direct interest, but in addition it will bring additional problems onto its "head" by coming into confrontation and conflict with the EU! Just look at Azerbaijan and Bangladesh! If it was so easy and simple, these two countries would have taken the step, long ago! Regardless of this, recognition by mere 2-3 third world countries does not constitute the establishment of a recognized and sovereign nation-state entity, as a subject of international law! For this to exist, it requires recognition by the UN and its organs!

Now, the EU or any of its member states cannot change their position on the issue of recognition, without RoC consensus, because both the EU and its member states are bound by the treaty of accession of the 10 new member states, signed in April 2003! This treaty is now part of the EU aqui, and can only altered if all co-signatory parties give their consensus! As it is well know, with the treaty of accession, the EU and its member states accept and recognize the sovereignty of the RoC all over the island, and that Cyprus as a whole is de jure part of the EU under the de jure sovereignty of the RoC!

It is nice to have "dreams" and "ambitions," but unfortunately for some TCs, some things can only exist as a part of mere wishful thinking! Turkey occupies 36% of Cyprus, using the TCs as a proxy; however, the GCs occupy the whole of Cyprus, using the RoC as a proxy! Furthermore, Turkey aspires to become an EU member state, and Cyprus holds a veto right!

[Viewpoint]

even your mama Turka will NEVER let you slip away from her with a recognised state

Pyro, Turkey cannot afford to allow any recognition to the "TRNC". It is a very simple case of Arithmetic's. The need of 125,000 Turkish Cypriots to the need of 70 Million Turks when faced with the choice, regarding her EU bid.

I would not be surprised if Turkey sends messages ahead of Talat's visits to countries for recognition, telling them to ignore Talat.

The case of recognition is a dead one! No country in the world will take a step visa vie the affairs and status quo of an EU member state, before and without the EU doing so first! No country is so stupid to poke its nose into something from which not only it has no direct interest, but in addition it will bring additional problems onto its "head" by coming into confrontation and conflict with the EU! Just look at Azerbaijan and Bangladesh! If it was so easy and simple, these two countries would have taken the step, long ago! Regardless of this, recognition by mere 2-3 third world countries does not constitute the establishment of a recognized and sovereign nation-state entity, as a subject of international law! For this to exist, it requires recognition by the UN and its organs!

Now, the EU or any of its member states cannot change their position on the issue of recognition, without RoC consensus, because both the EU and its member states are bound by the treaty of accession of the 10 new member states, signed in April 2003! This treaty is now part of the EU aqui, and can only altered if all co-signatory parties give their consensus! As it is well know, with the treaty of accession, the EU and its member states accept and recognize the sovereignty of the RoC all over the island, and that Cyprus as a whole is de jure part of the EU under the de jure sovereignty of the RoC!

It is nice to have "dreams" and "ambitions," but unfortunately for some TCs, some things can only exist as a part of mere wishful thinking! Turkey occupies 36% of Cyprus, using the TCs as a proxy; however, the GCs occupy the whole of Cyprus, using the RoC as a proxy! Furthermore, Turkey aspires to become an EU member state, and Cyprus holds a veto right!

Really Kifeas what will recognition change? although a goal for many TCs we are fully aware that it will not happen in the near future, your track record suits us right down to the ground as you havent got a chance in hell of finding a solution due to your entrenched views about a solution which even with "legality" on your side has not got you any closer to goals. When will you realize that your policies will never pay dividends as we will not yield to your demands and the international arena see and understand that this problem is no one sided, who knows in 2 3 4 generations down he line the north will gradually be upgraded towards recognition dependent on your consistent lack of vision or flexibility to act European and compromise towards a BBF poitical equality solution as recommended by the UN and international community, keep up the good work.

[Get Real!]

even your mama Turka will NEVER let you slip away from her with a recognised state

Pyro, Turkey cannot afford to allow any recognition to the "TRNC". It is a very simple case of Arithmetic's. The need of 125,000 Turkish Cypriots to the need of 70 Million Turks when faced with the choice, regarding her EU bid.

I would not be surprised if Turkey sends messages ahead of Talat's visits to countries for recognition, telling them to ignore Talat.

The case of recognition is a dead one! No country in the world will take a step visa vie the affairs and status quo of an EU member state, before and without the EU doing so first! No country is so stupid to poke its nose into something from which not only it has no direct interest, but in addition it will bring additional problems onto its "head" by coming into confrontation and conflict with the EU! Just look at Azerbaijan and Bangladesh! If it was so easy and simple, these two countries would have taken the step, long ago! Regardless of this, recognition by mere 2-3 third world countries does not constitute the establishment of a recognized and sovereign nation-state entity, as a subject of international law! For this to exist, it requires recognition by the UN and its organs!

Now, the EU or any of its member states cannot change their position on the issue of recognition, without RoC consensus, because both the EU and its member states are bound by the treaty of accession of the 10 new member states, signed in April 2003! This treaty is now part of the EU aqui, and can only altered if all co-signatory parties give their consensus! As it is well know, with the treaty of accession, the EU and its member states accept and recognize the sovereignty of the RoC all over the island, and that Cyprus as a whole is de jure part of the EU under the de jure sovereignty of the RoC!

It is nice to have "dreams" and "ambitions," but unfortunately for some TCs, some things can only exist as a part of mere wishful thinking! Turkey occupies 36% of Cyprus, using the TCs as a proxy; however, the GCs occupy the whole of Cyprus, using the RoC as a proxy! Furthermore, Turkey aspires to become an EU member state, and Cyprus holds a veto right!

Really Kifeas what will recognition change? although a goal for many TCs we are fully aware that it will not happen in the near future, your track record suits us right down to the ground as you havent got a chance in hell of finding a solution due to your entrenched views about a solution which even with "legality" on your side has not got you any closer to goals. When will you realize that your policies will never pay dividends as we will not yield to your demands and the international arena see and understand that this problem is no one sided, who knows in 2 3 4 generations down he line the north will gradually be upgraded towards recognition dependent on your consistent lack of vision or flexibility to act European and compromise towards a BBF poitical equality solution as recommended by the UN and international community, keep up the good work.

What it boils down to, for you and many other TCs VP is to keep testing the ground to see how much the RoC and her people will bend so that you may grab as much as possible to form that "super-state" you have wet dreams over! How pathetic!

[Pyrpolizer]

even your mama Turka will NEVER let you slip away from her with a recognised state

Pyro, Turkey cannot afford to allow any recognition to the "TRNC". It is a very simple case of Arithmetic's. The need of 125,000 Turkish Cypriots to the need of 70 Million Turks when faced with the choice, regarding her EU bid.

I would not be surprised if Turkey sends messages ahead of Talat's visits to countries for recognition, telling them to ignore Talat.

I know my friend. In fact YOU have the legal rights to that argument, as it was you who said it first in this forum, I just repeated your own argument.