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[Expatkiwi]

Someone out there asked me what my thoughts were in regards to the Native Americans and the Maori. I will simply reply that self-determination is an inalienable right. I support independence for TRNC, just as I support the rights of all other peoples to their own nations. That includes the NZ Maori, Native americans, Kurds, Somalilanders, Taiwanese, Abkhazians..... Get the drift?

And as for GET REAL's little outbursts of bucholic obsenity, perhaps he should just get a life. He sounds like a person who wouldn't hesitate to blast a bullet in the back of my head... or in Greek 'retribution' style, target my family and property instead. It's really ironic, reading about Greek xenophobia, givern that New Zealanders in World War II fought and died in Greece in 1941 trying to stop the Nazi invasion, yet, reading comments here, and seeing the conduct of people like Papadopoulous, Greeks acting just like Nazis...

The percentages that I have read (31% of total rural land used by Turkish Cypriots before 1963) came from various websites, plus a book titled THE CYPRUS PROBLEM. Given the urbanite character of the Greek Cypriot populace vis-a-vis the rural character of the Turkish Cypriot populace, that figure does not sound outlandish.

[Kifeas]

Someone out there asked me what my thoughts were in regards to the Native Americans and the Maori. I will simply reply that self-determination is an inalienable right. I support independence for TRNC, just as I support the rights of all other peoples to their own nations. That includes the NZ Maori, Native americans, Kurds, Somalilanders, Taiwanese, Abkhazians..... Get the drift?

No Expatkiwi, we do not get the drift! You support the independence of the "TRNC" which is an area of Cyprus that has never belonged to the Turkish Cypriots alone, and in which they have never been the majority!

You support the independence of the "TRNC," which is "established" on the basis of the ethnic cleansing from their ancestral and historical lands of the majority of the area's indigenous inhabitants -some 200.000 Greek Cypriots, for the sake of separating a mere 115,000 Turkish Cypriots, and then illegally transferring from Turkey as many mainland Turkish colonizers!

With "independence" and "recognition" of the "TRNC" you do not support people's rights! In fact, you support the continuing violation of people's rights! You only support ethnic cleansing of indigenous people from their country, you support illegal massive property looting and usurpation, and finally, you support massive colonization from a foreign country to alter the demographic character of a place! That is all you are supporting, as far as the civilized world is concerned, something which is also documented in Council of Europe’s reports and resolutions on Cyprus and European Court of Human Rights decisions against Turkey on the same matter!

[Get Real!]

The percentages that I have read (31% of total rural land used by Turkish Cypriots before 1963) came from various websites, plus a book titled THE CYPRUS PROBLEM. Given the urbanite character of the Greek Cypriot populace vis-a-vis the rural character of the Turkish Cypriot populace, that figure does not sound outlandish.

Your Wiki article CLEARLY states an OWNERSHIP of 31% whereas you now speak of “land used”, which implies that Turkish Cypriots RENTED and/or were EMPLOYED to farm to the total of 31%???

Here's a reminder again of what you initially said...

"This latter move was justified on the grounds that as the Turkish Cypriots had ownership of 31% of the island before 1963..."

So according to your new claim this would now yield…

"This latter move was justified on the grounds that as the Turkish Cypriots were farming 31% of the island before 1963..."

And of course that makes a total mockery of your entire article rendering it useless doesn't it?

I now ask you Expatkiwi... do you honestly think that you possess the knowledge and integrity required to write up credible articles in the Wiki or any other Encyclopedia for that matter?

[DT.]

Someone out there asked me what my thoughts were in regards to the Native Americans and the Maori. I will simply reply that self-determination is an inalienable right. I support independence for TRNC, just as I support the rights of all other peoples to their own nations. That includes the NZ Maori, Native americans, Kurds, Somalilanders, Taiwanese, Abkhazians..... Get the drift?

And as for GET REAL's little outbursts of bucholic obsenity, perhaps he should just get a life. He sounds like a person who wouldn't hesitate to blast a bullet in the back of my head... or in Greek 'retribution' style, target my family and property instead. It's really ironic, reading about Greek xenophobia, givern that New Zealanders in World War II fought and died in Greece in 1941 trying to stop the Nazi invasion, yet, reading comments here, and seeing the conduct of people like Papadopoulous, Greeks acting just like Nazis...

The percentages that I have read (31% of total rural land used by Turkish Cypriots before 1963) came from various websites, plus a book titled THE CYPRUS PROBLEM. Given the urbanite character of the Greek Cypriot populace vis-a-vis the rural character of the Turkish Cypriot populace, that figure does not sound outlandish.

so you felt you knew enough on the matter by reading a couple of articles and a book called the cyprus problem (written by who?) to want to educate others regarding a term which you yourself have changed now?

DId the articles and book you read say the TC's had ownership or used 31% of the rural land? Were you so convinced by this book you read that you feel this is absolutely 100% true? DId you cross refernce it? If you don't feel its 100% right then whats a kiwi doing writing Turkish propaganda.

BTW since you mentioned the kiwis that died alongside us in the 2nd world war wouldn't it be wise to also mention Galipoli?

[halil]

Someone out there asked me what my thoughts were in regards to the Native Americans and the Maori. I will simply reply that self-determination is an inalienable right. I support independence for TRNC, just as I support the rights of all other peoples to their own nations. That includes the NZ Maori, Native americans, Kurds, Somalilanders, Taiwanese, Abkhazians..... Get the drift?

And as for GET REAL's little outbursts of bucholic obsenity, perhaps he should just get a life. He sounds like a person who wouldn't hesitate to blast a bullet in the back of my head... or in Greek 'retribution' style, target my family and property instead. It's really ironic, reading about Greek xenophobia, givern that New Zealanders in World War II fought and died in Greece in 1941 trying to stop the Nazi invasion, yet, reading comments here, and seeing the conduct of people like Papadopoulous, Greeks acting just like Nazis...

The percentages that I have read (31% of total rural land used by Turkish Cypriots before 1963) came from various websites, plus a book titled THE CYPRUS PROBLEM. Given the urbanite character of the Greek Cypriot populace vis-a-vis the rural character of the Turkish Cypriot populace, that figure does not sound outlandish.

so you felt you knew enough on the matter by reading a couple of articles and a book called the cyprus problem (written by who?) to want to educate others regarding a term which you yourself have changed now?

DId the articles and book you read say the TC's had ownership or used 31% of the rural land? Were you so convinced by this book you read that you feel this is absolutely 100% true? DId you cross refernce it? If you don't feel its 100% right then whats a kiwi doing writing Turkish propaganda.

BTW since you mentioned the kiwis that died alongside us in the 2nd world war wouldn't it be wise to also mention Galipoli?

DT, doesn't mean everything we read in some books or articles are not Greek propaganda ? İt looks to me most of them Greek propaganda too.
Someone must be step on your foot. İ can hear yellings coming from .......

[theodore]

[quote="Kifeas"][quote="Expatkiwi"]Someone out there asked me what my thoughts were in regards to the Native Americans and the Maori. I will simply reply that self-determination is an inalienable right. I support independence for TRNC, just as I support the rights of all other peoples to their own nations. That includes the NZ Maori, Native americans, Kurds, Somalilanders, Taiwanese, Abkhazians..... Get the drift?
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No Expatkiwi, we do not get the drift! You support the independence of the "TRNC" which is an area of Cyprus that has never belonged to the Turkish Cypriots alone, and in which they have never been the majority!

You support the independence of the "TRNC," which is "established" on the basis of the ethnic cleansing from their ancestral and historical lands of the majority of the area's indigenous inhabitants -some 200.000 Greek Cypriots, for the sake of separating a mere 115,000 Turkish Cypriots, and then illegally transferring from Turkey as many mainland Turkish colonizers!

With "independence" and "recognition" of the "TRNC" you do not support people's rights! In fact, you support the continuing violation of people's rights! You only support ethnic cleansing of indigenous people from their country, you support illegal massive property looting and usurpation, and finally, you support massive colonization from a foreign country to alter the demographic character of a place! That is all you are supporting, as far as the civilized world is concerned, something which is also documented in Council of Europe’s reports and resolutions on Cyprus and European Court of Human Rights decisions against Turkey on the same matter![/quote]


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Kifeas yes i see ... your point i believe that is what terrorist do right? Expatkiwi must go see the dictionary and definition of the word terrorist before talking the above lingo

[theodore]

[quote="Get Real!"][quote="Eric dayi"]BTW, ExpatKiwi is not Turkish as the Turk hating liar and Greek Cypriot propagandist GR claims.[/quote]
There is nothing Cypriot about anyone who promotes the division and subsequent donation of a portion of Cyprus to Turkey.[/quote]



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that is for real you have said a lot then....

[DT.]

Someone out there asked me what my thoughts were in regards to the Native Americans and the Maori. I will simply reply that self-determination is an inalienable right. I support independence for TRNC, just as I support the rights of all other peoples to their own nations. That includes the NZ Maori, Native americans, Kurds, Somalilanders, Taiwanese, Abkhazians..... Get the drift?

And as for GET REAL's little outbursts of bucholic obsenity, perhaps he should just get a life. He sounds like a person who wouldn't hesitate to blast a bullet in the back of my head... or in Greek 'retribution' style, target my family and property instead. It's really ironic, reading about Greek xenophobia, givern that New Zealanders in World War II fought and died in Greece in 1941 trying to stop the Nazi invasion, yet, reading comments here, and seeing the conduct of people like Papadopoulous, Greeks acting just like Nazis...

The percentages that I have read (31% of total rural land used by Turkish Cypriots before 1963) came from various websites, plus a book titled THE CYPRUS PROBLEM. Given the urbanite character of the Greek Cypriot populace vis-a-vis the rural character of the Turkish Cypriot populace, that figure does not sound outlandish.

so you felt you knew enough on the matter by reading a couple of articles and a book called the cyprus problem (written by who?) to want to educate others regarding a term which you yourself have changed now?

DId the articles and book you read say the TC's had ownership or used 31% of the rural land? Were you so convinced by this book you read that you feel this is absolutely 100% true? DId you cross refernce it? If you don't feel its 100% right then whats a kiwi doing writing Turkish propaganda.

BTW since you mentioned the kiwis that died alongside us in the 2nd world war wouldn't it be wise to also mention Galipoli?

DT, doesn't mean everything we read in some books or articles are not Greek propaganda ? İt looks to me most of them Greek propaganda too.
Someone must be step on your foot. İ can hear yellings coming from .......

Think you know by now that I'm not the most patient man in the world with anyone's propaganda. If you have a different idea of me then you're wrong Halil. Remember that next time you post what the KKTC information office posts on the Bayrak website for you to copy paste.

Why don't you try and explain to me what this "New Zealander" means? DOes he mean what he wrote in wikipedia when he said the TC's owned 31% of the land? Or does he mean what he wrote here when he says the TC's USED 31% of the RURAL land? WOuld you agree with these figures as well?

[Expatkiwi]

Well, judging from the responses to my post, I'm facing apretty nasty group of people. Bottom line is that they are saying that TRNC should not be acknowledged as it was established by force of arms...
Well, there are a lot of countries on Earth established that way, so the TRNC would not be unique in that regard. Also, right wing Greeks tried to - BY FORCE OF ARMS - to remove the Turkish Cypriot presence on Cyprus in order to annex it to Greece. Am I supposed to go with the premise that Greeks using force of arms is okay, yet Turks using force of arms isn't?

And to that crack about Gallipoli. As a New Zealander, I know precisely the significance of that piece of Turkish territory, and the thousands of lives lost as a result of that bungled British-led operation. However, the Turkish Republic - and Mustafa Kemal Ataturk in particular - did make a public statement of reconciliation, and the enshrinement of the New Zealand and Australian cemetaries there, plus officially sanctioning the name ANZAC Cove. That kind of tribute from a former foe is quite remarkable. I personally have not heard of any similar monuments to the New Zealand troops in Greece regarding 1941...

[Piratis]

Well, there are a lot of countries on Earth established that way, so the TRNC would not be unique in that regard.

So why you don't tell me when was the last time that a state was established by means of invasion by another country and ethnically cleansing the majority of its population?

In the middle ages maybe?

Maybe you would like to return to rule of jungle before the existance of international law and human rights, so the Turks could just invade, rape, butcher and steal the land of others just like they used to do when they were creating their empire?

Also, right wing Greeks tried to - BY FORCE OF ARMS - to remove the Turkish Cypriot presence on Cyprus in order to annex it to Greece.

Nobody tried to "remove the Turkish Cypriot presence".
During the intercommunal conflict both sides had a small number of casualties (a few 100s each), and in 1974 no TC was killed until after the Turkish invasion had started.
During the Turkish invasion, that killed 1000s of GCs, a couple of 100s of TCs were killed as well.