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[Viewpoint]

I know what my people and your people want also. Cypriots want liberation from the Turks and Turks want to occupy our country. But we will win the invadors in the end!

If you say so, then you must be right.

[miltiades]

miltiades you have problems accepting different opinions why is that?

VP , I have a problem when it comes to irresponsible , hateful prats stirring up vile and destructive scenarios , people like this little shit whose only purpose is to create an atmosphere of hatred and mistrust , he is a disgusting vile individual that has the audacity to call him self a T/C , he is NOT representative of the overwhelming majority of decent peace loving T/Cs and neither are you mate. You are both consumed , you to a lesser extend , with poisonous hatred , the piece of shit that calls him self Eric , is the epitome of all the fanatics , both T/Cs and G/Cs who brought so much pain and suffering to our people. This guy is a looser a good for nothing hooligan , and it is the likes of me who will put this arrogant obnoxious piece of shit in his place , Eric , my arse ! My brother is Eric and he is a Cypriot not like this half wit bloody foreign git.

Your clock ticks Mr time bomb, there are many opinions miltiades you have to learn to accept them as we do not all fit in your cubby holes. We want a solution as well be it unificaiton or agreed partition but knowing my people and yours the latter has more chance of being reached.

You are forgetting one thing ,I was born in my country you weren't , my people the T/Cs and the G/Cs and the Maronites and the Armenians are CYPRIOTS .You Mr VP ARE NOT !
Let me once again remind you who my people are , and they ain't yours .
The T/Cs are my people just as much as the G/Cs and the Armenians are. Foreign hyenas such as you and Eric ???? the plonker are not . You are mere parasites and do not represent my people.

[Viewpoint]

miltiades you have problems accepting different opinions why is that?

VP , I have a problem when it comes to irresponsible , hateful prats stirring up vile and destructive scenarios , people like this little shit whose only purpose is to create an atmosphere of hatred and mistrust , he is a disgusting vile individual that has the audacity to call him self a T/C , he is NOT representative of the overwhelming majority of decent peace loving T/Cs and neither are you mate. You are both consumed , you to a lesser extend , with poisonous hatred , the piece of shit that calls him self Eric , is the epitome of all the fanatics , both T/Cs and G/Cs who brought so much pain and suffering to our people. This guy is a looser a good for nothing hooligan , and it is the likes of me who will put this arrogant obnoxious piece of shit in his place , Eric , my arse ! My brother is Eric and he is a Cypriot not like this half wit bloody foreign git.

Your clock ticks Mr time bomb, there are many opinions miltiades you have to learn to accept them as we do not all fit in your cubby holes. We want a solution as well be it unificaiton or agreed partition but knowing my people and yours the latter has more chance of being reached.

You are forgetting one thing ,I was born in my country you weren't , my people the T/Cs and the G/Cs and the Maronites and the Armenians are CYPRIOTS .You Mr VP ARE NOT !
Let me once again remind you who my people are , and they ain't yours .
The T/Cs are my people just as much as the G/Cs and the Armenians are. Foreign hyenas such as you and Eric ???? the plonker are not . You are mere parasites and do not represent my people.

You are probably right and to be honest I do not want to br grouped with you either, but the fact that both my parents were born and raised here, plus living here for the past 15 years gives me a few rights, not in the "RoC" as I do not want them but in the TRNC my home, where I belong and feel safe.

[theodore]

[quote="Piratis"][quote]Well, there are a lot of countries on Earth established that way, so the TRNC would not be unique in that regard. [/quote]

So why you don't tell me when was the last time that a state was established by means of invasion by another country and ethnically cleansing the majority of its population?

In the middle ages maybe?

Maybe you would like to return to rule of jungle before the existance of international law and human rights, so the Turks could just invade, rape, butcher and steal the land of others just like they used to do when they were creating their empire?

[quote] Also, right wing Greeks tried to - BY FORCE OF ARMS - to remove the Turkish Cypriot presence on Cyprus in order to annex it to Greece.[/quote]

Nobody tried to "remove the Turkish Cypriot presence".
During the intercommunal conflict both sides had a small number of casualties (a few 100s each), and in 1974 no TC was killed until [b]after[/b] the Turkish invasion had started.
During the Turkish invasion, that killed 1000s of GCs, a couple of 100s of TCs were killed as well.[/quote]


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yes pirates this statement of yours is very true I was in Cyprus at that time and remember it to be so but because i had a foreign past-port i was able to go in the British base.

[Get Real!]

You are probably right and to be honest I do not want to br grouped with you either, but the fact that both my parents were born and raised here, plus living here for the past 15 years gives me a few rights, not in the "RoC" as I do not want them but in the TRNC my home, where I belong and feel safe.

Just a quick question VP... I'm pretty certain that the RoC will sooner or later extend its rightful authority across all four corners of Cyprus so where will you go in that event? Back to the UK or Turkey?

[theodore]

[quote="Sotos"]I know what my people and your people want also. Cypriots want liberation from the Turks and Turks want to occupy our country. But we will win the invadors in the end![/quote]

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We call this FAITH. With FAITH IN GOD all things are possible.
When someone has faith in God's help that help is always with him or her even when we do not see the help in the natural the only thing i can tell you is be very courageous and believe in God and God will honor you in do time.

[Nikitas]

Viewpoint, and others in this forum, come back time and again to some phrases that are keys to their attitude- feel safe is one, belong is the other one. However much we might argue, until we understand the meaning these phrases have for Turkish Cypriots we are not getting anywhere.

Obviously from our (GC) point of view it is natural to exclaim "you are safe, of course you belong here" and just as naturally they will not believe us.

A person who PERCEIVES danger will not believe anyone's assurances he is safe. The only assurance is his direct experience of safety. A person who feels alienated will not accept assurances of being part of the group, they will believe it when they see it.

One major part of the Cyprus problem then is how to make people feel safe and feel they righfully belong, and that is by letting them EXPERIENCE safety and a sense of belonging. No matter how much right is on our side over the 1974 invasion, I do no believe it is possible to reverse attitudes unless these PERCEPTIONS are dealt with. Logical discourse is not going to reverse an emotional state that has been instilled over two generations.

And because these reversals of attitude can only be brought about by the most powerful player in the game, and in this regard the most powerful player is the Republic of Cyprus and not Turkey, it is the Republic that should take active steps to reverse the PERCEPTION. And I capitalise the word because it is something which, whether justified or not, has an effect here and now for many Turkish Cypriots.

It sounds ironic to say that that Turkish Cypriots on whose behalf Turkey invaded with such ferocity are the party in fear, but it is in the end a state of mind which is prevalent and real. From what I have seen in the posts of this forum it is a state of mind reinforced often at every level, from family chats, schools, literature, media etc. It will take a very bold and imaginative initiative to change the perception. However, once that changes the rest will follow.

A caveat to VP, no I dont mean by change that you will become a fanatic supporter of Enosis (joking!). I mean that you will not have any doubts about your safety and sense of belonging in Cyprus.

[phoenix]

Viewpoint, and others in this forum, come back time and again to some phrases that are keys to their attitude- feel safe is one, belong is the other one. However much we might argue, until we understand the meaning these phrases have for Turkish Cypriots we are not getting anywhere.

Obviously from our (GC) point of view it is natural to exclaim "you are safe, of course you belong here" and just as naturally they will not believe us.

A person who PERCEIVES danger will not believe anyone's assurances he is safe. The only assurance is his direct experience of safety. A person who feels alienated will not accept assurances of being part of the group, they will believe it when they see it.

One major part of the Cyprus problem then is how to make people feel safe and feel they righfully belong, and that is by letting them EXPERIENCE safety and a sense of belonging. No matter how much right is on our side over the 1974 invasion, I do no believe it is possible to reverse attitudes unless these PERCEPTIONS are dealt with. Logical discourse is not going to reverse an emotional state that has been instilled over two generations.

And because these reversals of attitude can only be brought about by the most powerful player in the game, and in this regard the most powerful player is the Republic of Cyprus and not Turkey, it is the Republic that should take active steps to reverse the PERCEPTION. And I capitalise the word because it is something which, whether justified or not, has an effect here and now for many Turkish Cypriots.

It sounds ironic to say that that Turkish Cypriots on whose behalf Turkey invaded with such ferocity are the party in fear, but it is in the end a state of mind which is prevalent and real. From what I have seen in the posts of this forum it is a state of mind reinforced often at every level, from family chats, schools, literature, media etc. It will take a very bold and imaginative initiative to change the perception. However, once that changes the rest will follow.

A caveat to VP, no I dont mean by change that you will become a fanatic supporter of Enosis (joking!). I mean that you will not have any doubts about your safety and sense of belonging in Cyprus.

Nikitas you sound like you're trying to pacify and reassure a frightened child.

The TCs have played this game for too long. Pathetic creatures

It is not us that should be reassuring them it's safe to live in our country. They have to reassure us (GCs) that they are not going to mess up for us again!

[Nikitas]

Phoenix,

I am sure that VP, Zan and others are not frightened children. But you must be able to appreciate the preoccupations and inner fears of the other side in a negotiation. If you do not you end up going around in circles and this is what is happening in the forum and it reflects what is happening with the negotiations to solve the famous Cyprus Problem.

Notice i said PERCEIVED problem, it might or it might not be justified by real facts. The facts are irrelevant if a person pereives danger. Only a counter perception will reassure him/her. If a satisfactory solution for all is to come about then we must see this fear and deal with it. Naturally the other side will be expected to see our fears no matter how irrational they might appear.

Overall I would say that the Greek Cypriot side is the stronger of the two in this respect and so it should make the first move. We are now experienced and mature enough not to be messed up again. Cause if we are not after all that has happened we are in deep shit again!

[phoenix]

Phoenix,

I am sure that VP, Zan and others are not frightened children. But you must be able to appreciate the preoccupations and inner fears of the other side in a negotiation. If you do not you end up going around in circles and this is what is happening in the forum and it reflects what is happening with the negotiations to solve the famous Cyprus Problem.

Notice i said PERCEIVED problem, it might or it might not be justified by real facts. The facts are irrelevant if a person pereives danger. Only a counter perception will reassure him/her. If a satisfactory solution for all is to come about then we must see this fear and deal with it. Naturally the other side will be expected to see our fears no matter how irrational they might appear.

Overall I would say that the Greek Cypriot side is the stronger of the two in this respect and so it should make the first move. We are now experienced and mature enough not to be messed up again. Cause if we are not after all that has happened we are in deep shit again!

Okay but let's not get too confident we are so strong we can look after them and us!