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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:37 am

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No Kifeas you still do not get it do you, try to think out of your rigid box,


Unlike many of you here, I am thinking way out of the rigid box!

all TCs want is to see the structure put before them like the AP or just like you put forward with power sharing and even I accepted, no more no less, once you realize that we want to be partners and have a say in our own future then you will have solved what TCs want.


To get to see a power structure, like you say, we have first to go through a process of examining the real facts and merits of the parameters pertaining to a solution, and then negotiate in good faith towards the formulation of a comprehensive solution. This is the platform the “8th of July” agreement sought to create! And because the two men cannot deal alone with the whole volume of things and issues that need to be sorted out, that is why it is important for most of the work to be carried out by technical committees constituted by experts in each area. Fifteen months have gone since the agreement, without this being achieved, just because your leader things he has or can do all this job alone, through meetings with Papadopoulos, and he doesn’t even know exactly how many the settlers in the north are, and what amount of properties and where each community owns!

I know the power structure I propose can be accepted by the majority of ordinary TCs, as well as by the majority of the GCs and as far as I know even by Papadopoulos, because it takes both sides’ genuine and legitimate concerns well into consideration and is affordably democratic, balance and functional! The problem is that such proposal cannot be accepted by your leadership and Turkey, because it ignores and cancels out the illegitimate irredentist aspiration and nationalist pursuit of securing and maintaining in Cyprus a separate, purely ethnically based, Turkish sovereign sub-nation-state, that will act as a platform for Turkey’s megalomaniac ambitions to indefinitely control Cyprus as a whole, and treat it as its geo-strategic protectorate; in the detriment of all Cypriots independence and self-determination, and in the expense of the GCs’ heritage rights from a substantial part of their country!


Kifeas I agree with you to certain extent but the committees issue is being used to move away from the basics of the AP which in principle will never change, do we want to start from square one with open ended negotiations_ this could go on forever just like preparing the ground for the 8th July talks. We Cypriots are not known for our business closure prowess so I support Talat in his move for time frames which are they only way to get Cypriots to do anything and at the same time force Turkeys hand. Don't forget Talat has to balance the 2 sides "RoC" vs Turkey and as you can see your guys are not making this easy, in fact you are hindering the opportunity for Talat to move closer to the south and away from Turkey. If I were your leadership I would have accepted reasonable time frames just to get the ball rolling if that's in fact what I wanted which I doubt very much your leadership as the desire to take such a bold move as they have 90% of they want.
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Postby Kikapu » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:53 am

Viewpoint wrote:Don't forget Talat has to balance the 2 sides "RoC" vs Turkey and as you can see your guys are not making this easy, in fact you are hindering the opportunity for Talat to move closer to the south and away from Turkey.


Actually this point VP is making came up in the meeting between the two leaders on September 5th meeting. Here is an excerpt from that report.


Talat: My hands are tied Tassos. You guys are pushing from the South and Turks are pushing me from the North. I'm stuck between a “Rock and a Hard place”, or between a “Greek” and a Turk for fuck sake.

Papadopoulous: This I do understand Mehmet, but what choice do I have. If I make the lives of the TC's comfortable as you all want, then I will get a lot of shit from all those in the South. So you see, it is not that easy for me either.

Talat: Yes but look at your situation. You have world recognition, in the EU and coming soon, the Euro. We are still playing with the Turkish Lira for cry’n out loud. How about a little help from you guys, to make my job to be a little easier.




Read the full report here:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=13198
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Postby Nikitas » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:58 am

Kikapu,

Uncanny reporting. Here is the proof that it was more than just fiction. Rumour has it that you were disguised as a valet and got into the meeting, evesdropping as you served them drinks.

Is it true that Reuters has offered you a lucrative post complete with company car and dental plan?
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Postby Kikapu » Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:13 pm

Nikitas wrote:Kikapu,

Uncanny reporting. Here is the proof that it was more than just fiction. Rumour has it that you were disguised as a valet and got into the meeting, evesdropping as you served them drinks.

Is it true that Reuters has offered you a lucrative post complete with company car and dental plan?


Nikitas,

Now you know, that watching Inspector Clouseau all those years in the Pink Panther paid off using his skills in disguising himself. For security reasons, I cannot reveal what disguised was used, but now I know that VP was also in that same room, because of his intimate knowledge on what was said in the meeting, I'm starting to lean towards him being Talat personal "Male Secretary". Of course, that too could have been a disguise.!!!! Remember the film, Victor Victoria.!!!!

Yes, it is true what you have said about Reuters and the lucrative contract offered to me, but their Dental Plan was useless for me, since I can only "gum my food ". :lol:
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Postby observer » Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:42 pm

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It is amazing as to how many people there are on tghis forum that have the one and final answer for the Cyprob who claim that it is acceptable to all and then find someone that it is not acceptable to and put all the blame on them...


It's quite a rare talent ... except in Cyprus.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:16 pm

Kifeas wrote:
No Kifeas you still do not get it do you, try to think out of your rigid box,


Unlike many of you here, I am thinking way out of the rigid box!

all TCs want is to see the structure put before them like the AP or just like you put forward with power sharing and even I accepted, no more no less, once you realize that we want to be partners and have a say in our own future then you will have solved what TCs want.


To get to see a power structure, like you say, we have first to go through a process of examining the real facts and merits of the parameters pertaining to a solution, and then negotiate in good faith towards the formulation of a comprehensive solution. This is the platform the “8th of July” agreement sought to create! And because the two men cannot deal alone with the whole volume of things and issues that need to be sorted out, that is why it is important for most of the work to be carried out by technical committees constituted by experts in each area. Fifteen months have gone since the agreement, without this being achieved, just because your leader things he has or can do all this job alone, through meetings with Papadopoulos, and he doesn’t even know exactly how many the settlers in the north are, and what amount of properties and where each community owns!

I know the power structure I propose can be accepted by the majority of ordinary TCs, as well as by the majority of the GCs and as far as I know even by Papadopoulos, because it takes both sides’ genuine and legitimate concerns well into consideration and is affordably democratic, balance and functional! The problem is that such proposal cannot be accepted by your leadership and Turkey, because it ignores and cancels out the illegitimate irredentist aspiration and nationalist pursuit of securing and maintaining in Cyprus a separate, purely ethnically based, Turkish sovereign sub-nation-state, that will act as a platform for Turkey’s megalomaniac ambitions to indefinitely control Cyprus as a whole, and treat it as its geo-strategic protectorate; in the detriment of all Cypriots independence and self-determination, and in the expense of the GCs’ heritage rights from a substantial part of their country!


Spot on!

There are hundreds of times GC & TC forum members agreed in here... yet the solution is NOT coming. Who is the REAL obstacle?
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Postby Murataga » Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:09 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
No Kifeas you still do not get it do you, try to think out of your rigid box,


Unlike many of you here, I am thinking way out of the rigid box!

all TCs want is to see the structure put before them like the AP or just like you put forward with power sharing and even I accepted, no more no less, once you realize that we want to be partners and have a say in our own future then you will have solved what TCs want.


To get to see a power structure, like you say, we have first to go through a process of examining the real facts and merits of the parameters pertaining to a solution, and then negotiate in good faith towards the formulation of a comprehensive solution. This is the platform the “8th of July” agreement sought to create! And because the two men cannot deal alone with the whole volume of things and issues that need to be sorted out, that is why it is important for most of the work to be carried out by technical committees constituted by experts in each area. Fifteen months have gone since the agreement, without this being achieved, just because your leader things he has or can do all this job alone, through meetings with Papadopoulos, and he doesn’t even know exactly how many the settlers in the north are, and what amount of properties and where each community owns!

I know the power structure I propose can be accepted by the majority of ordinary TCs, as well as by the majority of the GCs and as far as I know even by Papadopoulos, because it takes both sides’ genuine and legitimate concerns well into consideration and is affordably democratic, balance and functional! The problem is that such proposal cannot be accepted by your leadership and Turkey, because it ignores and cancels out the illegitimate irredentist aspiration and nationalist pursuit of securing and maintaining in Cyprus a separate, purely ethnically based, Turkish sovereign sub-nation-state, that will act as a platform for Turkey’s megalomaniac ambitions to indefinitely control Cyprus as a whole, and treat it as its geo-strategic protectorate; in the detriment of all Cypriots independence and self-determination, and in the expense of the GCs’ heritage rights from a substantial part of their country!


Spot on!

There are hundreds of times GC & TC forum members agreed in here... yet the solution is NOT coming. Who is the REAL obstacle?


Depends really what they agreed on specifically... I am sure we can agree that Cyprus is an island and that it is located in the Mediterranean. However, the fact that you need to acknowledge immediately is that the: (1) GC community has and is participating in crime and theft against the TCs (2) these unethical actions are still going unpunished as we speak and are continuosly promoted by the likes of you. Do we agree?

On a more general perspective, I have never personally read about a solution to the Cyprus problem on this forum that was agreed by the majority of the forum members of both sides let alone the majority of the members of the two communities living in Cyprus. So stop looking elsewhere for a scapegoat for the resentments of my people against you for your crimes.
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Postby Expatkiwi » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:23 am

Freedom of the press includes freedom to disseminate the opposing point of view. That is Bayrak's raison d' etre. I take the time to listen to their online broadcasts. It helps me get a better 'feel' for what is happening on the island. Oh, and by the way, I also listen to the (south) Cyprus media as well. Bayrak Radio and Television Corporation is there to be watched and listened to. If you don't like what they have to say, don't listen to it. Yuo have that right too, you know...
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:36 am

Expatkiwi wrote:Freedom of the press includes freedom to disseminate the opposing point of view. That is Bayrak's raison d' etre. I take the time to listen to their online broadcasts. It helps me get a better 'feel' for what is happening on the island. Oh, and by the way, I also listen to the (south) Cyprus media as well. Bayrak Radio and Television Corporation is there to be watched and listened to. If you don't like what they have to say, don't listen to it. Yuo have that right too, you know...



Welcome to the Cyprus Forum, Expatkiwi. Good to have you on board. Freedom of expression is not often welcomed here by some. It seems it hs to be only on their terms that it will be acceptable. But whatever polarity ourviews are, we will not be silenced.

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Postby halil » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:01 am

denizaksulu wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:Freedom of the press includes freedom to disseminate the opposing point of view. That is Bayrak's raison d' etre. I take the time to listen to their online broadcasts. It helps me get a better 'feel' for what is happening on the island. Oh, and by the way, I also listen to the (south) Cyprus media as well. Bayrak Radio and Television Corporation is there to be watched and listened to. If you don't like what they have to say, don't listen to it. Yuo have that right too, you know...



Welcome to the Cyprus Forum, Expatkiwi. Good to have you on board. Freedom of expression is not often welcomed here by some. It seems it hs to be only on their terms that it will be acceptable. But whatever polarity ourviews are, we will not be silenced.

Denizaksulu


Well come Expatkiwi,
Bayrak will not be silenced . Thanks for your comments about Bayrak.

Dear Deniz, We used to this kind of arguments everyday in Cyprus.

Thats why our People are asking Trust and Protection.
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