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[Viewpoint]

Having joined this forum only a few days ago in order to congratulate Alexandros Lordos on his good work, I have become more and more demoralized and disillusioned with all the negative comments from both communites.
Its obvious that our views are so far apart that reaching middle ground and a solution appears to be near enough impossible. The missing factor is TRUST, we are unable to get past this barrier and keep repeating ourselves over and over again, its obvious that neither community has matured enough over the past 30 years to want to agree any solution and resolve our differences.
What does everyone else think about the above comments?? it seems we are bashing our heads against a brick wall, maybe we cant live together and its time we came to terms with that and moved on our seperate ways.

[magikthrill]

Viewpoint,

First of all I must say it is very difficult for me to read your username and not laugh my bum off remembering Piratis' glorius remark a few days ago.

Secondly (and now a litttle more maturely )

I think you need to give this forum some time. Personally, ever since I've come here I've been able to understand and respect other point of views. In fact I'm sure if you have enough time and your hands and you can read all my posts you will definitely see a trend in opinion. (except for property issues thats the only thing I dont think should be compromised)

We all have different opinions and it is logical to argue. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a cyprus problem and no need for a cyprus problem forum. Many of us have managed to reach middle ground in many topics and I think the most famous one was Piratis' and Erolz not too long ago hehe .

And finally, how can you possibly conclude that neither of the two communities havan't matured in the past 30 years when have of us here werent even born 30 years ago!

[Othellos]

Having joined this forum only a few days ago in order to congratulate Alexandros Lordos on his good work, I have become more and more demoralized and disillusioned with all the negative comments from both communites.Its obvious that our views are so far apart that reaching middle ground and a solution appears to be near enough impossible. The missing factor is TRUST, we are unable to get past this barrier and keep repeating ourselves over and over again, its obvious that neither community has matured enough over the past 30 years to want to agree any solution and resolve our differences.
What does everyone else think about the above comments?? it seems we are bashing our heads against a brick wall, maybe we cant live together and its time we came to terms with that and moved on our seperate ways.

Viewpoint,
Do not lose hope so soon - have more faith.

Regards

O.

[Viewpoint]

When I state we have not matured this doesnt not refer to your age (although you seem childish about Piratis comments which i found very rude and offensive on such a forum) or if u were born pre 1974 or after. The fact is that from all the posting you can clearly see we disagree on 90% of issues, we dish up the same old arguements which takes us nowhere. GCs say black TCs say white, the mentality and outlook of each community appears to be the same as in the 1960, the content we are arguing about slightly differs thats the only difference. The bottom line is we dont trust each other so every problem/issue is dogged by this way of thinking and we automatically try to defend our community or stance. Its sad but a fact of life the referendum confirmed how far apart we really are and backs up my theory that maybe we should come to terms with the issue and admitt that we should not reunite, and move on with our lives, so that our children dont go through this process in 30 years time.

[cannedmoose]

Viewpoint, I know that sometimes this forum can seem to degenerate into a slagging match, rather than a bicommunal love-in, but that's half of its charm at times. Although I've had the benefit of discussing the Cyprus problem with all sorts of people face-to-face, this forum gives me a daily contact with folk from all points of views, from the extreme hardliners to the more liberal, 'solution at all costs' views. Personally I value all of these comments as they give a true insight into what people are thinking day-to-day.

The fact that the same old arguments come up is also indicative of a mindset prevalent in both communities to look to the past rather than the future, forgiveness can sometimes be a relatively rare commodity in Cyprus.

However, do not despair. I have seen glimpses of wisdom and thoughtfulness from members in this forum that I had previously subconsciously stereotyped as complete biased fascists (no names mentioned). When you can get to agreement between two polar opposites, which has been known on here, it does show that all is not lost.

So Viewpoint re, obviously the decision on whether to continue your life without this forum as any part of it is yours, but I and I'm sure many others would welcome your continued contributions to it. All the advice I'd give is to lighten up a bit, Thrill wasn't being offensive or childish, he just has a very mischievous streak Often the best way to post on here is to make a serious point and then a joke, helps to lighten the mood at times.

[Viewpoint]

cannedmoose
You are one of the most level headed, well versed and intelligent people on this forum and your comments are worth reading.
I have also had the opportunity to meet with Greek Cypriots face to face on all levels up to and after the referendum. What I observed was we have this defence mechanism which comes into play, we feel we have to always come up with an anti arguement becasue we feel the other community is trying to get one over or take advantage. The only reasoning i can find for this is the TRUST issue, we do not feel the other community has our best interests at heart.
TCs are paranoid of being reduced to a minority amongst Greek Cypriots and GCs dont want to agree political equality for TCs. Catch 22, we are just going around in circles with noway out.
We were raised with the Cyprus issue, I dont want this for my children, I want them to live in a country where they dont have to worry about whether there will be a solution or not, and if this means going our seperate ways then allbeit.
If you are trying to reunite with a mentality on both sides that property is more important than safety, peace and prosperity for our children then it saddens me to say Id rather not live in a united Cyprus and stay as we are divided.

[Agios Amvrosios]

I share viewpoint's pessimism.

I do not see a solution which is patently undemocratic and prevents refugees returning home ever getting up in a referendum. You have to corrupt our leaders so they can sign a treaty for you. Don't bother with referenda if you want such things. BTW I love it when we are called extremists for insisting on democratic rights.

The way I see it someone is going to have to be corrupted sooner or later.

[erolz]

BTW I love it when we are called extremists for insisting on democratic rights.

There is nothing extreme on insiting on your human rights. It becomes extreme when you insit on your human rights whilst denying other theirs (or that they even have such rights). That is what is 'extreme'. Just as it is not extreme to say that people should treat each other with respect but to say people should treat each other with repect but you are not people is extreme. See the difference?