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[dinos]

regardless, i don't see why we are trying to figure out the cause of death here. it's not going to bring the dog back, or ease the pain the Highlander family is experiencing.

I agree; this s/b put to rest...

[aidy]

my symapthy's go out to Highlander for his loss, and for the constant 'protective' speak that the cause could be alternate.

it was confirmed by a professional, i dare say he knows a thing or two more then you or i. especially by speculation.

Although it is tryed to conclude an alternative, and a denial this sort of thing happens over here. It is a fact that it does. Happened not long ago in my village, all the stray cats were poisoned and a rabbit farm lost everything.

I have drove down the road and seen an oncoming car actually aim for an animal at the side, driver was laughing.

As was mentioned a couple of times in this thread, (and no offence intended) some Cypriots view dogs as working animals, when they are too old to do so, they are discarded, English ppl see a dog as a member of the family and stick with it to the end. It is a difference in cultures which is unlikely to be changed. However a little respect wouldn't go amiss.

[GorillaGal]

my symapthy's go out to Highlander for his loss, and for the constant 'protective' speak that the cause could be alternate.

it was confirmed by a professional, i dare say he knows a thing or two more then you or i. especially by speculation.

Although it is tryed to conclude an alternative, and a denial this sort of thing happens over here. It is a fact that it does. Happened not long ago in my village, all the stray cats were poisoned and a rabbit farm lost everything.

I have drove down the road and seen an oncoming car actually aim for an animal at the side, driver was laughing.

As was mentioned a couple of times in this thread, (and no offence intended) some Cypriots view dogs as working animals, when they are too old to do so, they are discarded, English ppl see a dog as a member of the family and stick with it to the end. It is a difference in cultures which is unlikely to be changed. However a little respect wouldn't go amiss.

a sad thing for a "civilized" country, don't you think?

[humanist]

Sorry to hear about your loss mate.

[The Microphone]

Hi Brian (long time no see).

Sorry to hear about your dog.

Why don't you put the same on the Paphos forum? :- www.cyprusliving.org

Put anything about animal cruelty on Cyprus Living and the Cyprus Living crony hit squad will be after you. And you'll be banned from ever posting on their little forum ever again.

[GorillaGal]

Hi Brian (long time no see).

Sorry to hear about your dog.

Why don't you put the same on the Paphos forum? :- www.cyprusliving.org

Put anything about animal cruelty on Cyprus Living and the Cyprus Living crony hit squad will be after you. And you'll be banned from ever posting on their little forum ever again.

freedom of speech?

[Damsi]

As long as humans exist there will be cruelty to animals, even in so-called "civilised" countries, and that includes Europe and the US, France, Spain. We are a cancer on the body of Earth....the only species on the planet that kills its own kind for an idea, a flag, an imaginary line drawn on the earth, for profit, greed and for power. Animals are way ahead of us when it comes to being civilised because it is their nature to kill only when absolutely necessary, except in cases where humans train them to kill. Yet when we see humans killing other humans, we call them "animals". What a joke. Nope....people who kill other people are "humans" not animals and it's an insult to all creatures to compare us with them in that way.

"Evidence gathered by animal welfare groups suggests that, despite the fact dog fighting is illegal in all 50 US states, it is both widespread and growing.

An estimated 40,000 people in the US are thought to be involved in "professional" dog fighting, using some 250,000 dogs.

These dog fighters train their pit bull terriers for maximum aggression before putting them in the ring to fight matches, publicised by underground networks.

Crowds watch and often place bets as the dogs, their jaws trained to grip ferociously hard, seek to tear each other apart for an hour or more.

As much as $100,000 (£50,000) can be staked on a fight between champion dogs, according to the Humane Society of the United States.

The dog that wins will live to fight again. But the loser is likely either to die from blood loss, shock and injury, or be killed by its owner as no longer profitable.

Meanwhile, tens of thousands more people - often gang members - take part in so-called street fighting, where dogs are pitted against each other in impromptu bouts in alleys or empty buildings.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6960788.stm

Humans are exhibiting paradoxical behaviour.

"We treat our pets (see "Me and my pet”) like members of the family while hardly sparing a thought for the billions of animals slaughtered globally for meat, science and cosmetics.

There is a rush towards vegetarianism and veganism in the UK, while Americans are eating as much meat as ever. We don't want animals to suffer in horrible conditions on farms, yet we are not prepared to pay the premium for higher-welfare meat. We are killing off many animal species through over-hunting and logging"

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/lif ... ution.html

"Cat mutilations in Edmonton have prompted a police-Humane Society partnership to form a special task force to stamp out the cruel killings.

There have been 21 mutilation deaths in two years, although police suspect there may be more since people do not always report a dead pet. Five cats were found mutilated in Edmonton last summer, a dozen more in the west end this year and four in St. Albert since late last month. Many of them haven't been identified."

Animal cruelty increases in Britain

"A British animal charity, the RSPCA, says cruelty to animals in Britain has reached record levels.

It says much of the abuse is carried out by children and is sponsoring a new study to find out why.

Cases highlighted by the RSPCA included a kitten who was killed by being put in a microwave by its teenage owner and a cat who was set on fire by a schoolboy."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/741921.stm

[GorillaGal]

good posting Damsi,
but from what i hear, in most cases with the dog fights, it is unitl death, but the winner often has to be killed afterwards to put him out of his misery after such a fight.

last month the employess of a local shelter in my area came to work to find 3 boxes full of 65 kittens at their doorstep. it is believed the kittens are used as bait before a fight to get the dogs riled up and ready to fight.
quiet sad. at least these kittens were saved by someone with a heart.

i can only hope that as society continues, we can become more humane to all animals and people as well. i think we have come far in the past, i hope it continues. i live in hopes our society evolves to what is depicted in the Star Trek series (Next Generation).
it could happen.
stranger things have happened, both before and after noon.

[devil]

This thread is drifting off-topic.

The question is whether about poisoning dogs in Cyprus. A fringe minority are wanting Lannate banned. This would certainly cause much hardship to thousands of individuals in the country and would cause an extreme price hike of all agricultural and horticultural (market gardening) products in the shops, so would affect everyone on the island and be inflationary. There is no other non-persistent pesticide that can come close to its effectiveness over a wide spectrum of pests. It has the advantage of having a short life-time, so that it is safe to eat, e.g., fruit sprayed shortly before harvesting. As for natural predators, these are limited to a few species. The Ceratitis or Mediterranean Fruit Fly has no known major predators. There is another pesticide that is useful against this beast, Malathion, but it has the disadvantage that, as it breaks down, after a few days, it forms another chemical that is persistent and very toxic to humans. It should therefore be used only after cropping is terminated or well in advance of cropping. Unfortunately the beast lays its eggs in the ripening fruit, after which the larvae invade the fruit in a few days, rendering it unfit for the market.

It caused widespread harm to the US fruit business in both FL and CA. To eradicate it, a very controversial massive Malathion spraying was done over vast areas from aircraft at night, combined with a release of sterile males. Thousands of tonnes of toxic fruit was sold over several years (at one time, some countries refused the sale of FL orange juice concentrates). This would not be possible here because of widespread culture of citrus fruit in private gardens, as opposed to the commercial plantations in the US of hectares of citrus. This is why the USA forbids the import of citrus fruit, to prevent the re-introduction of the pest.

Let me cite the case of another pesticide, methyl bromide. This is very useful as a fumigant for soil and grain and as a crop pesticide for soft fruit, such as strawberries and tomatoes. It has the advantage that it kills a wide range or organisms, including insects and fungi, quickly and effectively and then evaporates into thin air, leaving no toxic residues. Unfortunately, it has a very major disadvantage: like CFCs, it causes ozone depletion. It was therefore introduced into the Montreal Protocol, Annex E. As such, base levels were established on the average of 1995-1998 consumption and a phase-out scheduled for developed countries from 1 January 2005. Many countries have not been able to meet the 2005 phase-out and they have requested essential use exemptions. This is very controversial, because the EU has managed to respect its obligations, even with a good safety margin, while Australia and the USA, inter alia, have not. So, you can see that it is not easy to replace pesticides. Developing countries have a 10-year stay of execution with a 20% reduction by 2005, but this has not been entirely respected, either.

So, like it or not, Lannate is here to stay.

[GorillaGal]

never say never. and the thread was not started to determing the cause of death for highlander's dog. it was meant as a warning.