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[miltiades]

As a dog owner myself , have a 9 year old Boxer , I can relate to the sad loss of Highlanders dog , and as a Paphian born I apologise for the incident on behalf of all Pahians.
Although poisoning of cats and dogs is unfortunately quite common in Cyprus , I know many members of my family who have had dogs and cats and have never experienced the loss of a pet by poisoning. I would not hesitate to bring my dog to Cyprus .
The vast majority of Cypriots are kind to animals it is a sad fact however that a great deal of Cypriots are ignorant when it comes to animals feelings.

[Eliko]

GorillaGal, you may be sure that Cyprus is not the only nation that uses 'Lannate' in connection with the preservation of it's crops, if you can produce natural alternatives I urge you to do so, you will be able to give up your pet-walking business and get stuck in with the 'Oil Barons'.

What we would really like to establish here is whether there are alternative reasons (beside poisoning) for the demise of THE HIGHLANDER's dog.

At the moment 'Heat Exhaustion' would appear to be the most plausible since the administering of poison under the circumstances, presents various problems.

You deal with animals, perhaps you could make some enquiries among the veterinary experts in your own locality, it could be quite interesting.

[karma]

Gorilla or Deniz,
can any of u take care of my cat incase I die before you two
she is so cute..her name is Emily Rose.

[dinos]

I think that if the veterinarian confirmed it as a case of poisoning, then that's what we have to go with. It's true that the symptoms can mimic heat poisoning, the flu, etc. But you have to trust a vet to know his/her job.

As far as Lannate is concerned, it does have valid uses as Eliko mentions, from rye to corn to potatoes to pomegranates. The stuff is used all over the world. Stateside, Lannate is a restricted use pesticide - it can only be bought and sold by licensed applicators, and can only be applied under the supervision of a licensed applicator. But it is used for its stated purposes. The label for Lannate is below. Deviating from the label in any way is a felony - be it wearing the wrong clothing, not providing adequate warning of application, using the wrong nozzle size/orientation, wrong ventilator, spraying when it's too windy out, using it for the wrong pests, getting caught applying without the label nearby, improper disposal, etc etc etc. It just needs to be better regulated in Cyprus. Pesticides are a fact of life on farms.

http://strawberry.ifas.ufl.edu/chemicalinfo/lannate.pdf

Either way, without Lannate, crop production would suffer, thus driving food prices upward and making certain foods and feeds unavailable to poorer people. Financial hardship would also befall farmers. I do not know of any organic alternatives that would be economically feasible. You have to make a judgment call as to whether you really want to cause pain to humans (and to animals whose feeds would be impacted) in the name of economic stewardship. In my opinion, that is not acceptable. Education and regulation are the answer - banning it will only hurt people.

[dinos]

At the moment 'Heat Exhaustion' would appear to be the most plausible since the administering of poison under the circumstances, presents various problems.

Why? Anybody could give the dog some water with lannate mixed in via an eye-dropper or some similar device. The dog in the car would probably drink it gladly.

[Eliko]

At the moment 'Heat Exhaustion' would appear to be the most plausible since the administering of poison under the circumstances, presents various problems.

Why? Anybody could give the dog some water with lannate mixed in via an eye-dropper or some similar device. The dog in the car would probably drink it gladly.

dinos, the method you propose is quite feasible but does present other problems, the quantity necessary to kill in such a short space of time would be difficult to administer in the circumstances described.

Would a dog accept poison in such a manner, taking into account it's sense of smell?.

Would a person go to such lengths to poison a dog?.

It would be a great pity to stigmatize the inhabitants of a village based on the account we have of the incident, since a perfectly rational alternative explanation is available to us regardless of the veterinary surgeon's opinion, (possibly a cursory glance) an on the spot assessment in order to satisfy the owner.

The dog was dead, the owner would need to be consoled, poisoning would be the easy route to take in explaining it.

I just cannot comprehend a 'Serial Dog Killer' on the loose.

[GorillaGal]

Gorilla or Deniz,
can any of u take care of my cat incase I die before you two
she is so cute..her name is Emily Rose.

you silly girl, karma! i would take that cat in a flash! i LOVES me some orange tabbies!

[GorillaGal]

At the moment 'Heat Exhaustion' would appear to be the most plausible since the administering of poison under the circumstances, presents various problems.

Why? Anybody could give the dog some water with lannate mixed in via an eye-dropper or some similar device. The dog in the car would probably drink it gladly.

dinos, the method you propose is quite feasible but does present other problems, the quantity necessary to kill in such a short space of time would be difficult to administer in the circumstances described.

Would a dog accept poison in such a manner, taking into account it's sense of smell?.

Would a person go to such lengths to poison a dog?.

It would be a great pity to stigmatize the inhabitants of a village based on the account we have of the incident, since a perfectly rational alternative explanation is available to us regardless of the veterinary surgeon's opinion, (possibly a cursory glance) an on the spot assessment in order to satisfy the owner.

The dog was dead, the owner would need to be consoled, poisoning would be the easy route to take in explaining it.

I just cannot comprehend a 'Serial Dog Killer' on the loose.

i wish you were right, eliko, but in the year + that i have been part of this forum, i have heard enough stories about poisoning dogs and cats in CY.
as for dogs eating poison, dogs are stupid! they will eat anything! take it from me, i have heard alot of stories and seen dogs eat alot of weird stuff. on of my client's dogs luckily survived eating a whole container of chocolate covered raisins, with both chocholate and raisins/grapes being toxic to dogs. luckily their dog lived. the month before the same dog ate a bar of soap, and i have seen him eat whole opager bags full of someone's lunch, paper, foil and all. stupidest dog i ever did meet!

[dinos]

At the moment 'Heat Exhaustion' would appear to be the most plausible since the administering of poison under the circumstances, presents various problems.

Why? Anybody could give the dog some water with lannate mixed in via an eye-dropper or some similar device. The dog in the car would probably drink it gladly.

dinos, the method you propose is quite feasible but does present other problems, the quantity necessary to kill in such a short space of time would be difficult to administer in the circumstances described.

Would a dog accept poison in such a manner, taking into account it's sense of smell?.

Would a person go to such lengths to poison a dog?.

It would be a great pity to stigmatize the inhabitants of a village based on the account we have of the incident, since a perfectly rational alternative explanation is available to us regardless of the veterinary surgeon's opinion, (possibly a cursory glance) an on the spot assessment in order to satisfy the owner.

The dog was dead, the owner would need to be consoled, poisoning would be the easy route to take in explaining it.

I just cannot comprehend a 'Serial Dog Killer' on the loose.

Getting the stuff on your skin is sufficient to cause a serious reaction in people. I doubt that it would take much to kill a dog. Putting some powder on meat is generally enough to do a dog in. A solution with water can give an even more concentrated dose. It's entirely reasonable for the dog to have been poisoned in this way.

As far as whether a dog would actually consume poison, come on - dogs will readily drink antifreeze and used motor oil. Hell - dogs will eat rocks, end even their own crap. It's not like they've got a distinguishing palette...
Keep in mind, adding a little sugar to the mixture will make the solution more palatable. At the end of the day, a person giving a dog poison wouldn't trigger a sense of danger that the dog could properly register.

There's an easy method for deployment of the poison, a dead dog, and a vet diagnosing a poisoning. I see your other point about the vet possibly not wanting to subject the owner to further distress and not call them out for leaving the dog in the car. But the vet would surely understand the implications that diagnosing a poisoning in the dog of a foreigner would have on said village. If anything, the stigmatization of the village is on the vet's head if he gave a false diagnosis.

Otherwise, a serial dog killer is indeed pretty f'd up. But stranger things have happened.

Hope you're well...

[GorillaGal]

At the moment 'Heat Exhaustion' would appear to be the most plausible since the administering of poison under the circumstances, presents various problems.

Why? Anybody could give the dog some water with lannate mixed in via an eye-dropper or some similar device. The dog in the car would probably drink it gladly.

dinos, the method you propose is quite feasible but does present other problems, the quantity necessary to kill in such a short space of time would be difficult to administer in the circumstances described.

Would a dog accept poison in such a manner, taking into account it's sense of smell?.

Would a person go to such lengths to poison a dog?.

It would be a great pity to stigmatize the inhabitants of a village based on the account we have of the incident, since a perfectly rational alternative explanation is available to us regardless of the veterinary surgeon's opinion, (possibly a cursory glance) an on the spot assessment in order to satisfy the owner.

The dog was dead, the owner would need to be consoled, poisoning would be the easy route to take in explaining it.

I just cannot comprehend a 'Serial Dog Killer' on the loose.

Getting the stuff on your skin is sufficient to cause a serious reaction in people. I doubt that it would take much to kill a dog. Putting some powder on meat is generally enough to do a dog in. A solution with water can give an even more concentrated dose. It's entirely reasonable for the dog to have been poisoned in this way.

As far as whether a dog would actually consume poison, come on - dogs will readily drink antifreeze and used motor oil. Hell - dogs will eat rocks, end even their own crap. It's not like they've got a distinguishing palette...
Keep in mind, adding a little sugar to the mixture will make the solution more palatable. At the end of the day, a person giving a dog poison wouldn't trigger a sense of danger that the dog could properly register.

There's an easy method for deployment of the poison, a dead dog, and a vet diagnosing a poisoning. I see your other point about the vet possibly not wanting to subject the owner to further distress and not call them out for leaving the dog in the car. But the vet would surely understand the implications that diagnosing a poisoning in the dog of a foreigner would have on said village. If anything, the stigmatization of the village is on the vet's head if he gave a false diagnosis.

Otherwise, a serial dog killer is indeed pretty f'd up. But stranger things have happened.

Hope you're well...

no, i do not see the point about a vet not wanting to cause further distress..... a vet would want to educate the owners if he felt the dog died from being in a hot car. there are no laws to convict anyone in CY if that was the case, is there? or very likely, if there were, there would not be a prosecutuion. if the vet said the dog died of poisoning, that is his educated assessment. regardless, i don't see why we are trying to figure out the cause of death here. it's not going to bring the dog back, or ease the pain the Highlander family is experiencing.