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[Kikapu]

Sounds like Kalyoncu (non Cypriot name) is throwing a lot of unrelated crap on the wall, to see what will stick and what doesn't.

Kikapu
As always you are "assuming" things from a distance....
Omer Kalyoncu happens to be a member of a very well known Turkish Cypriot family from Kyrenia and their surname has been Kalyoncu for centuries..
In fact,Kalyoncu family is so well known,their property in Kyrenia was documented on the first map made by the British administration back in 1883

Thanks iceman, I stand corrected.

How come they got a surname as Turkish Cypriots going so far back, where as most of us did not, I wonder.

[Kikapu]

Sounds like Kalyoncu (non Cypriot name) is throwing a lot of unrelated crap on the wall, to see what will stick and what doesn't.

Kikapu
As always you are "assuming" things from a distance....
Omer Kalyoncu happens to be a member of a very well known Turkish Cypriot family from Kyrenia and their surname has been Kalyoncu for centuries..
In fact,Kalyoncu family is so well known,their property in Kyrenia was documented on the first map made by the British administration back in 1883

Thanks iceman, I stand corrected.

How come they got a surname as Turkish Cypriots going so far back, where as most of us did not, I wonder.

Iceman,

I took your word for it, when I agreed to be corrected without first opening the map, but upon doing so, it reads "Kaliounji".

Is this same as "Kalyoncu" even though the two does resemble each other.

Anyway, the name thing was a side remark to my original post, but rather the remarks being thrown around, just to see what will stick, as far as who is not willing to negotiate for a settlement.

Do you have any comments on that by any chance.

[iceman]

Iceman,

I took your word for it, when I agreed to be corrected without first opening the map, but upon doing so, it reads "Kaliounji".

Is this same as "Kalyoncu" even though the two does resemble each other.

Yes "Kaliounji" is the way the name Kalyoncu was pronounced by the British map makers at the time..
Just like "Bahcesi" was pronounced as Baghchessi..
One other interesting point on this map is the Turkish name Chatal Keuy under the Greek name Ayios Epiktitos..As you know many GC claim the Turkish names were invented by TC's after 1974 as a part of Turkification process.. As you can see here the name Catalkoy name was used back in the Ottoman times by TC's...
I wonder how many GC's knew this fact..
It was the British & the GC administration who erased these Turkish names from the maps before 1974..

[halil]

Sounds like Kalyoncu (non Cypriot name) is throwing a lot of unrelated crap on the wall, to see what will stick and what doesn't.

Kikapu
As always you are "assuming" things from a distance....
Omer Kalyoncu happens to be a member of a very well known Turkish Cypriot family from Kyrenia and their surname has been Kalyoncu for centuries..
In fact,Kalyoncu family is so well known,their property in Kyrenia was documented on the first map made by the British administration back in 1883

Thanks İceman you are 100% correct some of them thinks from the distance they know everything. they speak good for nothing. what they do is only propaganda against Turkish Cypriots and Turkey. The countries they are living now , why they have surnames ? why in the world they are using surnames , our Greek friends doesn't have sirnames ? Who changed their Cypriot names ?

[Pyrpolizer]

Iceman,

I took your word for it, when I agreed to be corrected without first opening the map, but upon doing so, it reads "Kaliounji".

Is this same as "Kalyoncu" even though the two does resemble each other.

Yes "Kaliounji" is the way the name Kalyoncu was pronounced by the British map makers at the time..
Just like "Bahcesi" was pronounced as Baghchessi..
One other interesting point on this map is the Turkish name Chatal Keuy under the Greek name Ayios Epiktitos..As you know many GC claim the Turkish names were invented by TC's after 1974 as a part of Turkification process.. As you can see here the name Catalkoy name was used back in the Ottoman times by TC's...
I wonder how many GC's knew this fact..
It was the British & the GC administration who erased these Turkish names from the maps before 1974..

Or is it in fact the other way round??? That the name of the village WAS IN FACT Ayios Epiktitos however the few Ottoman settlers that resided there gave it another name? (as it's shown by the parenthetic Turkish name on the British maps).

So what's your complaint really. That after 1974 you gave some villages totally different names or the fact that you gave them already existing Turkish names? As for example Baf !!!! for Paphos, or Girne for Kyrenia or Lefkoshia for Lefkosia. Man you don't even know what LefkosIa means... "it means dressed in white town" "Lefkos" is an ancient Greek word meaning white. And you dare tell me those Turkish names were always the REAL village/or town names????

How much propaganda and lies do they feed you iceman?

[Murataga]

Sounds like Kalyoncu (non Cypriot name) is throwing a lot of unrelated crap on the wall, to see what will stick and what doesn't.

Kikapu
As always you are "assuming" things from a distance....
Omer Kalyoncu happens to be a member of a very well known Turkish Cypriot family from Kyrenia and their surname has been Kalyoncu for centuries..
In fact,Kalyoncu family is so well known,their property in Kyrenia was documented on the first map made by the British administration back in 1883

Thanks iceman, I stand corrected.

How come they got a surname as Turkish Cypriots going so far back, where as most of us did not, I wonder.

iceman you stole my thunder.. But a great post - thanks.

kikapu - many of us do actually. Our surname tradition was quite primitive and lacked any true systematic. It was an oriental structure accustomed from the Ottomans: you either got the name of your father as surname (which means a new surname for essentially every generation making it extremely difficult to keep a record for civil purposes) or your "lakap" (title/reputation/job) was used. I would confidently say "Kalyoncu" was a lakap of his family who perhaps was associated with the business: "Kalyoncu" means "one who uses/rides/in the business of Kalyon" and "Kalyon" is a type of ship that was widely used by the Ottomans and other Mediaterranean empires prior to the 19-18th century (see Galeon).

As for your claim about people being "forced" - it is not true. No TC was forced to change their name, period. However, the the fossilized Ottoman system for surnames (unmatched in any modern society by the 20th century) was abolished and people were asked to adopt new surnames (not names as you imply). As long as there were no conflicts (no repetition among families for obvious reasons of having a surname in the first place) people were either allowed to use their family "lakap"s (as in the example of Kalyoncu) as surnames or their existing father name as surname or offered (as long as the specific surname was something they liked and felt comfortable to use) / asked to come up with new ones .

[zan]

Sounds like Kalyoncu (non Cypriot name) is throwing a lot of unrelated crap on the wall, to see what will stick and what doesn't.

Kikapu
As always you are "assuming" things from a distance....
Omer Kalyoncu happens to be a member of a very well known Turkish Cypriot family from Kyrenia and their surname has been Kalyoncu for centuries..
In fact,Kalyoncu family is so well known,their property in Kyrenia was documented on the first map made by the British administration back in 1883

Thanks iceman, I stand corrected.

How come they got a surname as Turkish Cypriots going so far back, where as most of us did not, I wonder.

iceman you stole my thunder.. But a great post - thanks.

kikapu - many of us do actually. Our surname tradition was quite primitive and lacked any true systematic. It was an oriental structure accustomed from the Ottomans: you either got the name of your father as surname (which means a new surname for essentially every generation making it extremely difficult to keep a record for civil purposes) or your "lakap" (title/reputation/job) was used. I would confidently say "Kalyoncu" was a lakap of his family who perhaps was associated with the business: "Kalyoncu" means "one who uses/rides/in the business of Kalyon" and "Kalyon" is a type of ship that was widely used by the Ottomans and other Mediaterranean empires prior to the 19-18th century (see Galeon).

As for your claim about people being "forced" - it is not true. No TC was forced to change their name, period. However, the the fossilized Ottoman system for surnames (unmatched in any modern society by the 20th century) was abolished and people were asked to adopt new surnames (not names as you imply). As long as there were no conflicts (no repetition among families for obvious reasons of having a surname in the first place) people were either allowed to use their family "lakap"s (as in the example of Kalyoncu) as surnames or their existing father name as surname or offered (as long as the specific surname was something they liked and felt comfortable to use) / asked to come up with new ones .

I would have thought that the great 21st century scholar, Kikapu, would have thanked the person who took the Tcs out of the 15th century, kicking and screaming to an era that he keeps telling us we not accustom ourselves to, but.......

[Pyrpolizer]

kikapu - many of us do actually. Our surname tradition was quite primitive and lacked any true systematic. It was an oriental structure accustomed from the Ottomans: you either got the name of your father as surname (which means a new surname for essentially every generation making it extremely difficult to keep a record for civil purposes) or your "lakap" (title/reputation/job) was used. I would confidently say "Kalyoncu" was a lakap of his family who perhaps was associated with the business: "Kalyoncu" means "one who uses/rides/in the business of Kalyon" and "Kalyon" is a type of ship that was widely used by the Ottomans and other Mediaterranean empires prior to the 19-18th century (see Galeon).

Yeah right! And by doing that you developed such a perfect system, that you can not tell for sure how many settlers and how many real TCs you have. Isn't that what you recent census proved beyond any doubt?

[theodore]

[quote="Pyrpolizer"][quote="Murataga"]

kikapu - many of us do actually. Our surname tradition was quite primitive and lacked any true systematic. It was an oriental structure accustomed from the Ottomans: you either got the name of your father as surname [color=red](which means a new surname for essentially every generation making it extremely difficult to keep a record for civil purposes) [/color]or your "lakap" (title/reputation/job) was used. I would confidently say "Kalyoncu" was a lakap of his family who perhaps was associated with the business: "Kalyoncu" means "one who uses/rides/in the business of Kalyon" and "Kalyon" is a type of ship that was widely used by the Ottomans and other Mediaterranean empires prior to the 19-18th century (see Galeon).
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Yeah right! And by doing that you developed such a perfect system, that you can not tell for sure how many settlers and how many real TCs you have. Isn't that what you recent census proved beyond any doubt?[/quote]




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Wow only the EU can take care of all this ... as it is not enough that they have in there hands to till with Turkey first the Ottomans with the Armenians the Cyprus issue stilling of property the ports etc. Turkey and her neighbors Kurds etc. and second is the only against freedom of religion and freedom of press WOW WOW
WOW WELL EU HAS HER HANDS FULL OF WORK WITH TURKY will see what happens...[/b]

[BirKibrisli]

kikapu - many of us do actually. Our surname tradition was quite primitive and lacked any true systematic. It was an oriental structure accustomed from the Ottomans: you either got the name of your father as surname (which means a new surname for essentially every generation making it extremely difficult to keep a record for civil purposes) or your "lakap" (title/reputation/job) was used. I would confidently say "Kalyoncu" was a lakap of his family who perhaps was associated with the business: "Kalyoncu" means "one who uses/rides/in the business of Kalyon" and "Kalyon" is a type of ship that was widely used by the Ottomans and other Mediaterranean empires prior to the 19-18th century (see Galeon).

Yeah right! And by doing that you developed such a perfect system, that you can not tell for sure how many settlers and how many real TCs you have. Isn't that what you recent census proved beyond any doubt?

Pyro....The system is soooo perfect that I cannot trace my old school friends any more..Just to give you a relevant example; I had no idea that Ahmet An was my old school friend Ahmet Cavit (Djavit as some spell it on this forum)...It took me years to make the connection...Those who pretend that this is just an incidental procedure are only fooling themselves...They know damn well it is all part of the "Turkification" of the TCs...Now we can look forward to the "Islamisation" of the TCs as well...But what is in a name or a faith, right?????