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No you fool, I am no hero but I know where I belong and who my people are.

That's right... Bir belongs in Cyprus and you belong in Turkey! Haven't we already established that?

You are wrong,GR...Eric Dayi has no idea where he belongs.He is the real lost soul..In Turkey they will laugh at his accent and call him "British bastard" on a good day and "gavur pichi (infidel bastard)" on the other days...He might not have to prove his Turkishness every day,but every second day they will ask him why it is that TCs do not like the mainland Turks...And why do TCs seem to be at least as infidels as the rest of the world...And they will remind him that the Turks came and saved his arse from the dreaded GCs and tell him his arse belongs to them...And after a few drinks they will ask him if it is true that when TCs come home from work and see a hat hanging on the door,they just turn around and go back,because it means there is a man at home fuking his wife...

poor Eric Dayi...he is in for a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggg shhhhhhhooooooooochhhhhhhhhh...

Your mask has truely slipped, you are in pure denial of your Turkish roots, the Brits hate the french so what...judging from the above comments you are a nasty piece of work and very dangerous to your own community, lets hope you never return to Cyprus be it north or south.

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Birkibrisli

Zan,I have gone blue in the face telling you the kind of RoC I want us to join...It is the kind of country I would be proud and happy to call my own.. It will be fully democratic and have high respect for human rights and equal opportunity. It will have a judiciary of high principles,and the rule of law would always take priority...There will be no discrimination on ethnic background reasons,nor will there be any special preferences...The right to life and property and dignity as a human being would always be respected...Differences would be considered as riches and they will be encouraged and fostered. My Cyprus would be all inclusive.Everyone who is a Cypriot and/or has a right to live in Cyprus would always be treated as an equal.There will be no foreign symbols or anthems.Everything would be uniquely Cypriot. And every Cypriot would swear alligance to his/her homeland,and pledge to defend it against all foreign aggression...

This is the ultimate goal but it can only be achieved through a comprehensive solution with safeguards to allow us to build trust and understanding, the GCs are not interested in sharing they have what they want and are only after the remaining 10% where we are the minority and they are the rulers in our country.

I can see the question forming in your mind...How do we get there from here???With great difficulty. With a lot of compromise and give and take.
With alot of measures to foster trust and understanding between Cypriots of all backgrounds. Not with playing the blame game and keeping the old hatreds alive.Not with collaborating with any foreign power. Not with having or keeping the symbols of another culture and civilisation.Not while taking pleasure in the pain and suffering of our compatriots.Not by accepting a subservient position towards anyone...By having pride in our flag and our people and our culture...

You obviously do not know your own community well, how long has it been since you were in the TRNC and talked directly with TCs who live here?

I have never blamed just the TCs for the situation we find ourselves.And I have always said the present RoC government is not doing enough to instil confidence and acceptance in TC hearts and minds...

this is agree with and go even further they are the recognized half of Cyprus and shoudl do more if they really wanted a solution which I doubt very much.

But I am harder on the TCs now because they and only they can tell the power who is occupying 37% of our country to go away. One brave and visionary statement by MA Talat,asking Turkey to kindly allow us to rule in our own country,and exercise our right to self determination,and demanding a return to the only legal entity we have in our own right,the Republic of Cyprus of the 1960 constitution would be enough to start the whole status quo unraveling...I say it is upto Talat and the TCs to make the first move now,because they have the most to lose.Our very cultural and national identity are at risk of being drowned in a huge tsunami of our own making...We can't afford the luxury of paving the EU way for anyone...We have to act now,and act on the international stage,to wrestle our rights in our Republic back in our own hands...We cannot afford to leave our fate into the hands of Turkey or the present rulers of the RoC...We need to have the courage to rise up and take charge of our own fate...Before we become an exclamation mark in the history of world civilisations

And how do you propose we support our economy after telling Turkey to fuck off? do you feel your GC brothers will dip into their pockets to support the TRNC while we try to negotiate union or will they spend millions on a full scale attack to reclaim the north? People like Piratis and Kifeas have pent up anger waiting to explode at the first opportunity why do you think GCs want the Turkish army to leave today prior to any agreements? Your being naive in thinking that we want Turkey to leave before anything has been resolved thats why they came in the first place and you would be putting us in grave danger if you felt Talat should ask for Turkey to leave as this would give an advantage to the GCs to try and starve us out so that they could get the best possible solution in their favor.

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[BirKibrisli]

Now give us a version of who and what runs the "RoC" and lets compare....Please everyone....I would like Bir to answer this because I want to know what sort of "RoC" he thinks we can join without worry or care.....

Zan,I have gone blue in the face telling you the kind of RoC I want us to join...It is the kind of country I would be proud and happy to call my own.. It will be fully democratic and have high respect for human rights and equal opportunity. It will have a judiciary of high principles,and the rule of law would always take priority...There will be no discrimination on ethnic background reasons,nor will there be any special preferences...The right to life and property and dignity as a human being would always be respected...Differences would be considered as riches and they will be encouraged and fostered. My Cyprus would be all inclusive.Everyone who is a Cypriot and/or has a right to live in Cyprus would always be treated as an equal.There will be no foreign symbols or anthems.Everything would be uniquely Cypriot. And every Cypriot would swear alligance to his/her homeland,and pledge to defend it against all foreign aggression...

I can see the question forming in your mind...How do we get there from here???With great difficulty. With a lot of compromise and give and take.
With alot of measures to foster trust and understanding between Cypriots of all backgrounds. Not with playing the blame game and keeping the old hatreds alive.Not with collaborating with any foreign power. Not with having or keeping the symbols of another culture and civilisation.Not while taking pleasure in the pain and suffering of our compatriots.Not by accepting a subservient position towards anyone...By having pride in our flag and our people and our culture...

I have never blamed just the TCs for the situation we find ourselves.And I have always said the present RoC government is not doing enough to instil confidence and acceptance in TC hearts and minds...But I am harder on the TCs now because they and only they can tell the power who is occupying 37% of our country to go away. One brave and visionary statement by MA Talat,asking Turkey to kindly allow us to rule in our own country,and exercise our right to self determination,and demanding a return to the only legal entity we have in our own right,the Republic of Cyprus of the 1960 constitution would be enough to start the whole status quo unraveling... I say it is upto Talat and the TCs to make the first move now,because they have the most to lose.Our very cultural and national identity are at risk of being drowned in a huge tsunami of our own making...We can't afford the luxury of paving the EU way for anyone...We have to act now,and act on the international stage,to wrestle our rights in our Republic back in our own hands...We cannot afford to leave our fate into the hands of Turkey or the present rulers of the RoC...We need to have the courage to rise up and take charge of our own fate...Before we become an exclamation mark in the history of world civilisations...

Birkibrisli just for the record, I believe I am the only GC in here who warned the other GCs in this forum, that if the TCs do that, not to expect their life to be easy anymore. And their precious "RoC" to be the GC run Republic they used to know. They will see TCs everywhere they will see laws (especially those for the National guard and armaments spending) getting trashed from one day to another, they will see Ministries like the Ministry of education becoming illegal, they will see Turkish signs and Turkish official documents everywhere.But the most hard to swallow is the Political rights of the TCs which they will not be able to ignore. They will have to bow not only to Papadopoulos but to Talat Vice president too!

The most difficult would be to maintain the 1960 constitution because imo that constitution CANNOT WORK if the TCs come back, and it can hardly survive for let's say 2 years. I fully support this move though as a way forward in working a Federal Solution from within. It solves the property issue , and also solves the isolation of the TCs automatically. And it gives PRESSURE to both sides to work towards a Federal System, because the 1960 constitution can hardly be maintained for more than 1-2 years.

The GCs think their precious "RoC" will win if the TCs come back. The TCs think they will lose their pride if they go back to "RoC".The truth is far from that for both.. In fact I see an inheritted pressure on both sides to work from within the 1960 constitution as fast as possible towards a better Federal solution.

I am glad you too think this is the most realistic way forward,Pyro...

We have this agreement,one valid constitution,and a fully functioning Republic to share...We have been fighting and sulking for the past 40 odd years,but if we really want to reunify our country,this is the simplest way to proceed...I would suggest that we could even make some changes to the Constitution even before we reunite,and then when trust is established make further changes to make our country more democratic and less ethnic based...I would say this is probably our last hope given what happened to the Annan Plan...I am truly astounded as to why Papadopoulos is not making some simple alterations to make it more easier for the TCs to return. Even limiting the "maintaining our Hellenism" talk,plus removal of most Greek flags and the Greek national anthem would go a long way symbolically to let the TCs know this Republic is theirs as well...This Mexican standoff is only playing into the hands of the partitionists and foreign interests...Can you shed some light on this for me???Tpapa is a clever politician.Is he simply afraid of upsetting his voters???
Or is he really, as VP and others claim,do not want to share any power with TCs???? Is the status quo preferable to the 1960 constitution in his mind??? If that is the case he is a dangerous man,and should be removed at the earliest opportunity for Cyprus to have a fighting chance for reunification...With ERdogan and his Islamic (warmly!) cohorts in power in Turkey (meaning,the nationalist factor is out of the question),and with Talat who must be getting more and more uncomfortable in his role of "Puppet" in the North, we have a golden opportunity for reunification...Why are the GC politicians not taking advantage of this????

[BirKibrisli]

No you fool, I am no hero but I know where I belong and who my people are.

That's right... Bir belongs in Cyprus and you belong in Turkey! Haven't we already established that?

You are wrong,GR...Eric Dayi has no idea where he belongs.He is the real lost soul..In Turkey they will laugh at his accent and call him "British bastard" on a good day and "gavur pichi (infidel bastard)" on the other days...He might not have to prove his Turkishness every day,but every second day they will ask him why it is that TCs do not like the mainland Turks...And why do TCs seem to be at least as infidels as the rest of the world...And they will remind him that the Turks came and saved his arse from the dreaded GCs and tell him his arse belongs to them...And after a few drinks they will ask him if it is true that when TCs come home from work and see a hat hanging on the door,they just turn around and go back,because it means there is a man at home fuking his wife...

poor Eric Dayi...he is in for a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggg shhhhhhhooooooooochhhhhhhhhh...

Your mask has truely slipped, you are in pure denial of your Turkish roots, the Brits hate the french so what...judging from the above comments you are a nasty piece of work and very dangerous to your own community, lets hope you never return to Cyprus be it north or south.

I do not wear a mask,VP...So it cannot possibly slip.
I am as open and as honest about my beliefs and observations,no matter what others might think.I do not,like most of you,follow the misplaced loyalty "Turkey saved our arse so we owe them everything,and can't possibly say anything critical about them"...That is the mentality which made us a minority in our own country,and taken away our political will and dignity...You can go on fooling yourselves for all you like that Turkey is there to look after your interests(the same Turkey which washed her hands off us in 1923,because her interests dictated so).And you can go on thinking that mainland Turks are not prejudiced against you,but I know better... I did not make up the attitudes to TCs by Turks in my above post.They exist widely and has been reported even in Hurriyet and Milliyet in the last 6 months or so...mainland Turks have no respect for anyone who do not talk like them,dress like them,follow Islam like them,do not have their rigid moral standars,and give the impression that they are cowards who cannot stand up to their perceived "enemies" like them...

By saying this I am not denying my Turkish roots. Nor does it mean I am ashamed of my Turkish roots...It means I am not afraid of telling the truth as I see it,even if it does not fall withing your strict propaganda parameters... As to your hope that I never return to Cyprus,I can only say you might be too late. I am planning to visit Cyprus as we speak,and you will hear much more from me when I do...And you better find another excuse to discredit my ideas and beliefs,for "You have been away too long to know" will not do any longer...

[denizaksulu]

And after a few drinks they will ask him if it is true that when TCs come home from work and see a hat hanging on the door,they just turn around and go back,because it means there is a man at home fuking his wife...

You want to get my family mixed in this argument bre orosbu cocugu? Ok, two can play that game.

Is that how you lost your wife you by selling her to the highest bidder you pimp?

Are you sure that your mother wasn't fucked by a Greek back in the 60's and you are the bastard that was unfortunately produced?

Are the kids who call you father really yours or the bastards of the father of the Greek family who "looked" after you in Oz?

Gotu sikilmis pust oglu pust, ailemi bir daha araya korsan senin yedi bin gabileni gotden sikerim, anladin bre pic?

It's one thing swearing at one another but if you ever mention my family again, you will live to regret it you cunt.

I feel ashamed, to read the above. I will have to disagree with BK. The whole thread SHOULD be CLOSED. Who will dare translate this for the Moderator/.Admin. Not me. Cok ayip.

Regards

[paliometoxo]

what does ha siktir bre gotden sikilmis korkak pust. Sende ne insanlik ne de Turkluk kaldi. mean anyway?

[denizaksulu]

what does ha siktir bre gotden sikilmis korkak pust. Sende ne insanlik ne de Turkluk kaldi. mean anyway?

You dont want to know. That language belongs to the gutter. I am sure you must have an inkling of what they mean? some are used in GC as well. If the author is so brave, let him translate. Hopefully he will be banned from the Forum.

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And after a few drinks they will ask him if it is true that when TCs come home from work and see a hat hanging on the door,they just turn around and go back,because it means there is a man at home fuking his wife...

You want to get my family mixed in this argument bre orosbu cocugu? Ok, two can play that game.

Is that how you lost your wife you by selling her to the highest bidder you pimp?

Are you sure that your mother wasn't fucked by a Greek back in the 60's and you are the bastard that was unfortunately produced?

Are the kids who call you father really yours or the bastards of the father of the Greek family who "looked" after you in Oz?

Gotu sikilmis pust oglu pust, ailemi bir daha araya korsan senin yedi bin gabileni gotden sikerim, anladin bre pic?

It's one thing swearing at one another but if you ever mention my family again, you will live to regret it you cunt.

Did I touch on a raw nerve did I,Eric Dayi????

You are not going to tell me you have not heard that this is the stereotype
of a TC amongst the mainland Turks??? Or are you angry I exposed it on the forum...Do yourself a favour and go and search the archives of Hurriyet and Milliyet newspapers,you cowardly swine...
And I will ask the moderators to please leave the above post of Eric dayi's as is...This will give the rest of the TCs in this forum an opportunity to taste the nature and the filth of this person who masquarades as a human being...The game is up,Eric Dayi...You are a big,stupid bully who cannot take even one hundreth of what you dish out...Just like all the big,cowardly bullies everywhere...You are a fascist swine...and it gives me great pleasure to tell you again that you ARE worth spitting on...

Huckkkkkk touuuuuuuuuuuuu

Ps.moderators...please leave my and Eric dayi's posts as is...to give everyone an opportunity to get the full picture.Thanks.

You are the one who took it to this level and should apologise to everyone, Eric is only retaliating to your below the belt comments which were unnecessary and uncalled for, time to own up, apologise and clear the air.

[Svetlana]

I think this is about as bad as it gets; I am sorry reasonable Forum members have had to endure the above.

Lana