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[Pyrpolizer]

The day the "TRNC" gets full recognition or Official Partition, is the day Turkey commits suicide with her EU aspirations..

If Turkey is refused entry it is not the end of the world for Turkey. Majority of people in Turkey have lost confidence in the EU and do not believe that they will ever be allowed to join a xenophobic and racist EU anyway. The fact is that with the situation the EU is in it will be better for Turkey in the long run if they stay out of the EU for may different reasons.

Why do you think that most EU major companies are abandoning the EU and opening shop in Turkey and other Eastern countries? Should Turkey join the EU they will be forced to do the same with their major companies because like other EU countries the wages will go sky high and no one will be able to afford to employ workers in large major companies.

Most companies here in the UK have their support centres in India and have car parts made in Turkey (???) and Taiwan and other countries, in fact anywhere but in any EU country because they can't afford to pay the wages.

When Poland joined the EU they could not even spend the monies they received from the EU to build their infrastructure because all their workers
left the country for a "better life" here in the UK working for £30 a day. The same could happen to Turkey but do not fret, Turkey will never be allowed to join and the EU will not be stormed and taken over by 70 million Turks.

Turkey either you like it or not is currently HEADING TOWARDS THE EU.
Whether this will end to full membership, or a special relation remains to be seen. Either way full membership/or special relation i.e, Kikapu's argument is still valids. So far you haven't answered how is Turkey going to have ANY of the two, without having to exchange her trash ... sorry her tramp card, and what will happen if that tramp card escapes either via recognition or official partition.

[Pyrpolizer]

Talat should be the one who should be asking for us to return to any political position with the RoC and not me or Bir. There's only one problem, he has no authority to do such a thing, so he talks about a Partition. He is doing exactly what VP does, throws out idle threats because I do not believe Turkey backs this idea. The day the "TRNC" gets full recognition or Official Partition, is the day Turkey commits suicide with her EU aspirations..

I am all ears to see what Zan will answer to this.

Zan what happened did you loose your voice mana mou?

Erik has proved himelf braver in trying to at least give a reasonable answer although he got lost in bypass blah blah-ing, but at least he tried. How about you?

[Pyrpolizer]

I don't care what names you use and don't believe a word of the lies you spread in this and other forums, as far as I am concerned you are not a Turkish Cypriot and are to be seen and treated like an enemy of our people and struggle.

Oh really? First who appointed you a judge? Second what are you going to do to him, excommunicate him, beat him, kill him, what?

You would really enjoy that ,Pyro , wouldnt you. You devil, you.

As if you wouldn't enjoy watching a clown dressed in judge's gown.

[T_C]

The day the "TRNC" gets full recognition or Official Partition, is the day Turkey commits suicide with her EU aspirations..

On the other hand the day Turkey doesn't get in the EU is the day TRNC gets full recognition. He he he he....

[BirKibrisli]

Now give us a version of who and what runs the "RoC" and lets compare....Please everyone....I would like Bir to answer this because I want to know what sort of "RoC" he thinks we can join without worry or care.....

Zan,I have gone blue in the face telling you the kind of RoC I want us to join...It is the kind of country I would be proud and happy to call my own.. It will be fully democratic and have high respect for human rights and equal opportunity. It will have a judiciary of high principles,and the rule of law would always take priority...There will be no discrimination on ethnic background reasons,nor will there be any special preferences...The right to life and property and dignity as a human being would always be respected...Differences would be considered as riches and they will be encouraged and fostered. My Cyprus would be all inclusive.Everyone who is a Cypriot and/or has a right to live in Cyprus would always be treated as an equal.There will be no foreign symbols or anthems.Everything would be uniquely Cypriot. And every Cypriot would swear alligance to his/her homeland,and pledge to defend it against all foreign aggression...

I can see the question forming in your mind...How do we get there from here???With great difficulty. With a lot of compromise and give and take.
With alot of measures to foster trust and understanding between Cypriots of all backgrounds. Not with playing the blame game and keeping the old hatreds alive.Not with collaborating with any foreign power. Not with having or keeping the symbols of another culture and civilisation.Not while taking pleasure in the pain and suffering of our compatriots.Not by accepting a subservient position towards anyone...By having pride in our flag and our people and our culture...

I have never blamed just the TCs for the situation we find ourselves.And I have always said the present RoC government is not doing enough to instil confidence and acceptance in TC hearts and minds...But I am harder on the TCs now because they and only they can tell the power who is occupying 37% of our country to go away. One brave and visionary statement by MA Talat,asking Turkey to kindly allow us to rule in our own country,and exercise our right to self determination,and demanding a return to the only legal entity we have in our own right,the Republic of Cyprus of the 1960 constitution would be enough to start the whole status quo unraveling...I say it is upto Talat and the TCs to make the first move now,because they have the most to lose.Our very cultural and national identity are at risk of being drowned in a huge tsunami of our own making...We can't afford the luxury of paving the EU way for anyone...We have to act now,and act on the international stage,to wrestle our rights in our Republic back in our own hands...We cannot afford to leave our fate into the hands of Turkey or the present rulers of the RoC...We need to have the courage to rise up and take charge of our own fate...Before we become an exclamation mark in the history of world civilisations...

[Pyrpolizer]

No you fool, I am no hero but I know where I belong and who my people are.

That's right... Bir belongs in Cyprus and you belong in Turkey! Haven't we already established that?

You are wrong,GR...Eric Dayi has no idea where he belongs.He is the real lost soul..In Turkey they will laugh at his accent and call him "British bastard" on a good day and "gavur pichi (infidel bastard)" on the other days...He might not have to prove his Turkishness every day,but every second day they will ask him why it is that TCs do not like the mainland Turks...And why do TCs seem to be at least as infidels as the rest of the world...And they will remind him that the Turks came and saved his arse from the dreaded GCs and tell him his arse belongs to them...And after a few drinks they will ask him if it is true that when TCs come home from work and see a hat hanging on the door,they just turn around and go back,because it means there is a man at home fuking his wife...

poor Eric Dayi...he is in for a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggg shhhhhhhooooooooochhhhhhhhhh...

They even asked me THAT Birkibrisli last year I went there, I mean to explain them why the Tcs don't like them. One phrase that stuck in mind mind, is when they told me, we don't like them either "hich sevmez"!! They are all rich, they come here and they are all rich !! And they talk a funny language they even call the gaz "fire water",they said.

NB. Erik I "hich sevmez" you hich, hich, hich (not even a little bit)

[Pyrpolizer]

The day the "TRNC" gets full recognition or Official Partition, is the day Turkey commits suicide with her EU aspirations..

On the other hand the day Turkey doesn't get in the EU is the day TRNC gets full recognition. He he he he....

From who? From Turkey?

[T_C]

What if EU use recognition as a means to make the NO to EU accession a little bit of an easier blow for Turkey?

[Pyrpolizer]

Now give us a version of who and what runs the "RoC" and lets compare....Please everyone....I would like Bir to answer this because I want to know what sort of "RoC" he thinks we can join without worry or care.....

Zan,I have gone blue in the face telling you the kind of RoC I want us to join...It is the kind of country I would be proud and happy to call my own.. It will be fully democratic and have high respect for human rights and equal opportunity. It will have a judiciary of high principles,and the rule of law would always take priority...There will be no discrimination on ethnic background reasons,nor will there be any special preferences...The right to life and property and dignity as a human being would always be respected...Differences would be considered as riches and they will be encouraged and fostered. My Cyprus would be all inclusive.Everyone who is a Cypriot and/or has a right to live in Cyprus would always be treated as an equal.There will be no foreign symbols or anthems.Everything would be uniquely Cypriot. And every Cypriot would swear alligance to his/her homeland,and pledge to defend it against all foreign aggression...

I can see the question forming in your mind...How do we get there from here???With great difficulty. With a lot of compromise and give and take.
With alot of measures to foster trust and understanding between Cypriots of all backgrounds. Not with playing the blame game and keeping the old hatreds alive.Not with collaborating with any foreign power. Not with having or keeping the symbols of another culture and civilisation.Not while taking pleasure in the pain and suffering of our compatriots.Not by accepting a subservient position towards anyone...By having pride in our flag and our people and our culture...

I have never blamed just the TCs for the situation we find ourselves.And I have always said the present RoC government is not doing enough to instil confidence and acceptance in TC hearts and minds...But I am harder on the TCs now because they and only they can tell the power who is occupying 37% of our country to go away. One brave and visionary statement by MA Talat,asking Turkey to kindly allow us to rule in our own country,and exercise our right to self determination,and demanding a return to the only legal entity we have in our own right,the Republic of Cyprus of the 1960 constitution would be enough to start the whole status quo unraveling... I say it is upto Talat and the TCs to make the first move now,because they have the most to lose.Our very cultural and national identity are at risk of being drowned in a huge tsunami of our own making...We can't afford the luxury of paving the EU way for anyone...We have to act now,and act on the international stage,to wrestle our rights in our Republic back in our own hands...We cannot afford to leave our fate into the hands of Turkey or the present rulers of the RoC...We need to have the courage to rise up and take charge of our own fate...Before we become an exclamation mark in the history of world civilisations...

Birkibrisli just for the record, I believe I am the only GC in here who warned the other GCs in this forum, that if the TCs do that, not to expect their life to be easy anymore. And their precious "RoC" to be the GC run Republic they used to know. They will see TCs everywhere they will see laws (especially those for the National guard and armaments spending) getting trashed from one day to another, they will see Ministries like the Ministry of education becoming illegal, they will see Turkish signs and Turkish official documents everywhere.But the most hard to swallow is the Political rights of the TCs which they will not be able to ignore. They will have to bow not only to Papadopoulos but to Talat Vice president too!

The most difficult would be to maintain the 1960 constitution because imo that constitution CANNOT WORK if the TCs come back, and it can hardly survive for let's say 2 years. I fully support this move though as a way forward in working a Federal Solution from within. It solves the property issue , and also solves the isolation of the TCs automatically. And it gives PRESSURE to both sides to work towards a Federal System, because the 1960 constitution can hardly be maintained for more than 1-2 years.

The GCs think their precious "RoC" will win if the TCs come back. The TCs think they will lose their pride if they go back to "RoC".The truth is far from that for both.. In fact I see an inheritted pressure on both sides to work from within the 1960 constitution as fast as possible towards a better Federal solution.

[T_C]

Well it sounds good to me....