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[Eric dayi]

So what!!!!! So what if it is the Turkification of the TRNC/KKTC. We belong to the island and as long as there is no settlement we will call ourselves and the part of our island what ever the hell we like. We will not sit around and wait for your siege to work. It ain't gonna happen. Every way we can find to get around that siege we will do. I really don't understand how you and Kiks can just sit there and wish the worse for your people just so you can be proved right.

You failed to understand a lot of things it seems,Zan...

And the most frustrating thing for me is this: you do not understand that I take the total Turkification of the TCs to be the worse thing that can happen to them...We did not go through all that we did as TCs,and survived on our own,between 1964 and 74,to turn around and be swollowed up whole by our "saviours"...The Turkish sea is too big for us to survive in...But the Cypriot sea is just the right size.And it is also where we belong...As a large minority we can hold our own,keep our identity,and survive and prosper as Cypriots...But you are intend on jumping over the cliff into the big Turkish ocean where you will never be seen again...Don't expect me to jump after you lot...

Bir, your first name is Turkish as is your surname, you also use a Turkish screen name and you complain about being "Turkified"?

Give it up Bir, you are p*****g against the wind and there is no way it's not going to come back and hit you right in the face.

Stop playing the fool,Eric Dayi. I know and you know that you are no fool.

I wished I could as sure about you as you are about me not being a fool but you leave me no choice to believe that you are the biggest fool ever lived.

The difference is that my name and surname was chosen by my father (and I do have a surname which is not my father's first name),on his own free will,before I was even born...

WOT???? You don't have your fathers first name as your surname and you claim to be a "traditional" Turkish Cypriot and at the same time complain about the other TC's taking a surname? You frigging hypocrite.

And they are not Turkish names

HUH? "they"??? How many surnames do you have?

Anyway, you are right, "SKATAOGLU" isn't a Turkish name but it sure as hell suits you.

but go as far back as the Selchouks and the Huns...

Now here's a man who know his history.....NOT....no wonder he claims he is not Turkish.

But of course everything is Turkish in your eyes...

I was born a Turk you fool, what did you expect? Did you expect me to see everything as Greek and sell out my own people like you have?

Even the Eskimos,right????

At least they have not sold their own people to their enemies who wanted to genocide them like the Greeks and Greek Cypriots tried to do with us.

[Get Real!]

Bironas Kiprios...Hmmmmmmmmmmm

It has a nice ring to it ...
Better than Bir KakaTeCeli...

Sounds like a Gladiator doesn't it Bir?

[BirKibrisli]

So what!!!!! So what if it is the Turkification of the TRNC/KKTC. We belong to the island and as long as there is no settlement we will call ourselves and the part of our island what ever the hell we like. We will not sit around and wait for your siege to work. It ain't gonna happen. Every way we can find to get around that siege we will do. I really don't understand how you and Kiks can just sit there and wish the worse for your people just so you can be proved right.

You failed to understand a lot of things it seems,Zan...

And the most frustrating thing for me is this: you do not understand that I take the total Turkification of the TCs to be the worse thing that can happen to them...We did not go through all that we did as TCs,and survived on our own,between 1964 and 74,to turn around and be swollowed up whole by our "saviours"...The Turkish sea is too big for us to survive in...But the Cypriot sea is just the right size.And it is also where we belong...As a large minority we can hold our own,keep our identity,and survive and prosper as Cypriots...But you are intend on jumping over the cliff into the big Turkish ocean where you will never be seen again...Don't expect me to jump after you lot...

Bir, your first name is Turkish as is your surname, you also use a Turkish screen name and you complain about being "Turkified"?

Give it up Bir, you are p*****g against the wind and there is no way it's not going to come back and hit you right in the face.

Stop playing the fool,Eric Dayi. I know and you know that you are no fool.

I wished I could as sure about you as you are about me not being a fool but you leave me no choice to believe that you are the biggest fool ever lived.
I am a big fool for believing that our best chance of maintaining our national identity is to join the GCs in a unified republic based on the 1960 constitution...Is that what you are saying? And you are a wiseman for wanting to throw away your true identity and become a "British bastard"as the Turks call us,in a pariah state going nowhere fast???

The difference is that my name and surname was chosen by my father (and I do have a surname which is not my father's first name),on his own free will,before I was even born...

WOT???? You don't have your fathers first name as your surname and you claim to be a "traditional" Turkish Cypriot and at the same time complain about the other TC's taking a surname? You frigging hypocrite.
No mr Wiseman...Both my names are Cypriot names in the sense taht they are identifiably first names...Not made up pretentious names like Bulutoglu,Eczacibashi,Karanfil,Haydardedeoglu or what have you...

And they are not Turkish names

HUH? "they"??? How many surnames do you have?

Anyway, you are right, "SKATAOGLU" isn't a Turkish name but it sure as hell suits you.

My father would've crushed you like an insect,Mr Wiseman,for calling him what you did.Too bad he is dead and buried,driven into exile by your hero,RR Denktash, for objecting to the TMT turning into a terrorist organisation praying on their own people.An organisation he helped found ,I will have you know!!!

but go as far back as the Selchouks and the Huns...

Now here's a man who know his history.....NOT....no wonder he claims he is not Turkish.

But of course everything is Turkish in your eyes...

I was born a Turk you fool, what did you expect? Did you expect me to see everything as Greek and sell out my own people like you have?

And I am a Cypriot,Mr wiseman...History will decide which one of us have betrayed our own people!!!Have no fear...

Even the Eskimos,right????

At least they have not sold their own people to their enemies who wanted to genocide them like the Greeks and Greek Cypriots tried to do with us.

[BirKibrisli]

Bironas Kiprios...Hmmmmmmmmmmm

It has a nice ring to it ...
Better than Bir KakaTeCeli...

Sounds like a Gladiator doesn't it Bir?

Yeah...Bring on the lions!!!

[BirKibrisli]

Bironas Kiprios...Hmmmmmmmmmmm

It has a nice ring to it ...
Better than Bir KakaTeCeli...

my darling, Bir is a nice name , I wouldnt mind if it was Iki, Uc , Dort either but I would appreciate and love u twice as much if ur surname was Onasis or Koch...doesnt matter if it is Greek or Turkish..Love is blind and I have a beautiful mind

How much more blind would your love be, if I had a hyphenated name like Onasis-Koch,bebegim????

[BirKibrisli]

Zan...
I am not quoting your post because my computer (borrowed one in Sydney!) is crawling at the moment.But rest assured I have read it carefully.

Mate,why do you insist on misrepresenting my ideas.???
Have I ever said we should surrender unconditionally to anyone.???

What I am saying is this: Our only chance of survival as a community lies in returning to the Republic,initally under the 1960 constitution. Once certain amount of trust and respect are established,we can then mutually agree on measures to make our country more democratic and less ethnic oriented...

Is it the fault of the GCs if the world thinks Cyprus is a Greek island???
What have we done to let the world know there are Cypriots of turkish background as well???What have we done??? We walked away from the Republic,our Republic,worked our arses off to achieve our ambition of Taksim,and hid away from the world in the pariah state called trnc for over 24 years...Did you expect the RoC government to promote our interests on the world stage??? We willingly became participants in our own ethnic cleansing AND CULTURAL GENOCIDE,participated foolishly in our becoming a minority even in our own so called state,and precided over the degradation of our society and traditions,all in the name of what?????Security?Salvation? Progress???Pigheadedness?Fanatical nationalism???What???? What are you talking about???What is left to save?The casinos?the brothels?the drug trade???the environment?

Do you want the GCs to promote them? And applaud that you are happy to turn part of your country over to another country???That you are happy to sell your country out? To reward you for inviting twice your population to come and settle in Cyprus???To approve of your giving them political power via the vote???

The tragedy is that you can't see that as we are we have no choice and no way of deciding our own future...We must do what Turkey tells us...We have no right of self determination.Soon they won't even pretend that TCs are running the country.The majority will rule.And this majority will dictate how we live in our own country...With the GCs we have a good chance of maintaining our unique culture and traditions...With the Turks we have no chance...You seem to have made ur choice...You are for self-extermination..I am for self-preservation...You are in the majority. I am in a very small minority...
Go ahead and enjoy your Turkishness...I will read and write about you.And history will judge us. One of us will be called "a traitor to their country".The other will be called "a visionary"...dont be so smug about who is what...

[T_C]

Oh BK! You sound like a GC propagandist...honestly!

Please go to the TRNC, because you are talking absolute nonsense. Cultural genocide? How would you know? When was the last time you visited northern cyprus? TCs aren't leaving because of Turkey, they're leaving because of the lack of prospects! I think you've been reading too much Shener Levent articles mate!!!! You've made up your mind so you revel in anything negative about TRNC and dismiss anything positive...

Things are not great in the north but they're not half as bad as you think. If things were that bad there would be riots. Many years ago when TCs weren't getting paid properly there was massive riots where the TCs broke into some government building in their hundreds and beat the shit out of a few people in there and voila they got paid . We are not the slaves you think we are, if TCs were that bothered rest assured there would be TROUBLE!!!!

The TCs are HAPPY, they are SAFE and they are WELL LOOKED AFTER...we're MUCH MUCH better off than those from Turkey, we are fine till we reach a solution!!!
On the contrary the TCs would not be happy in the RoC (in it's current state), yet you're still trying to convince us it's the best thing when NOT ONE TC agrees with you! Then you turn around to say things like "there is no one as blind as people who refuse to see..." er HELLO?!?!?!?!?!?

[Kikapu]

Isn't it funny that once the Greeks lose the argument they start to act silly and try to distract from the subject on hand?

Any apologies for spreading lies about the name changes in the KKTC or are you all going into hiding again like GR does when he can't get out of the mess he gets himself into.

What are the lies about name changes in the "TRNC" Ali Dayi.??

Are they not happening.??

Is there not a law that requires a name change.??

If your name is common or that name is being used by another person, are you not "forced" to find some other "bum fuck name" so that it is different, no matter how stupid or non traditional Cypriot the name may sounds.

So, the later a TC comes to live in the "TRNC", the more difficult it's going to be to find a decent name to call yourself, even if you had that name all your life.

Did I miss anything else.???

It is obvious from every one of your postings that you hate anything Turkish although you claim to be a TC. You have been proven wrong about the name you claimed was not Turkish Cypriot but you are still playing the silly bagger, no skin off my nose mate, it shows your true colors.

I guess you must be ashamed of your father to want to have a different surname to him. What did he do that was so wrong, save your miserable hide from getting murdered by the Greek and GC EOKA scum?

Eric dayi,

I'm not talking about just "one name" you fool. I personally welcome having a "permanent Surname/ Family name". I'm talking about the whole system of "forced" name change. We always had Surnames, that's not the issue. The issue is, why couldn't the person keep their own name as their "Official Surname/ Family Name" without having to change it to something totally different, so that it is different than someone else's. It appears most of the names tend to resemble names from Turkey, since there are more names to choose from I guess, where one is able to "disect" a NAME and get many different versions out of it.. Some of the names people made up, due to lack of Joice, is absolute rubbish and has no connection to "Traditional Turkish Cypriot Names"..

Be careful what you say, because it can come and bite you right in the Ass. You accuse others of distracting from the issue when they lose an argument, which is exactly what you have done. You did not answer my questions at all, instead went on about NOTHING just to prove what a fool you really are.

Here, read your own words again.

Isn't it funny that once the Greeks lose the argument they start to act silly and try to distract from the subject on hand?

Any apologies for spreading lies about the name changes in the KKTC or are you all going into hiding again like GR does when he can't get out of the mess he gets himself into?

[BirKibrisli]

Oh BK! You sound like a GC propagandist...honestly!

Please go to the TRNC, because you are talking absolute nonsense. Cultural genocide? How would you know? When was the last time you visited northern cyprus? TCs aren't leaving because of Turkey, they're leaving because of the lack of prospects! I think you've been reading too much Shener Levent articles mate!!!! You've made up your mind so you revel in anything negative about TRNC and dismiss anything positive...

Things are not great in the north but they're not half as bad as you think. If things were that bad there would be riots. Many years ago when TCs weren't getting paid properly there was massive riots where the TCs broke into some government building in their hundreds and beat the shit out of a few people in there and voila they got paid . We are not the slaves you think we are, if TCs were that bothered rest assured there would be TROUBLE!!!!

The TCs are HAPPY, they are SAFE and they are WELL LOOKED AFTER...we're MUCH MUCH better off than those from Turkey, we are fine till we reach a solution!!!
On the contrary the TCs would not be happy in the RoC (in it's current state), yet you're still trying to convince us it's the best thing when NOT ONE TC agrees with you! Then you turn around to say things like "there is no one as blind as people who refuse to see..." er HELLO?!?!?!?!?!?

They did a good job on you in the trnc army,didn't they t_c??????

Years ago there were protests in the streets,yes...And the protesters were the supporters of the CTP(Talat's party)...And how did Turkey deal with that threat???? They brought CTP to power and neutralised them...

The only people who will take to the streets now will be the settlers.They are organising as we speak,and will soon take total control over. No one will stop them. No one can stop them.They now have the backing of the AKP and the Erdogan government. Watch out for the name Ahmet Unluer...
He has a bright future in TC politics. When Talat finally realises he is nothing but a puppet,and starts to protest, he will be replaced by a party founded or supposted by Mr Unluer...

I appologise for being the person to bring you the bad news.
If things go the way they are,within 10 years the real TCs will be an irrelevant nuisance in Cyprus...Turkey might even pay them to go and settle anywhere they like.As long as it is in the EU...

[Viewpoint]

Oh BK! You sound like a GC propagandist...honestly!

Please go to the TRNC, because you are talking absolute nonsense. Cultural genocide? How would you know? When was the last time you visited northern cyprus? TCs aren't leaving because of Turkey, they're leaving because of the lack of prospects! I think you've been reading too much Shener Levent articles mate!!!! You've made up your mind so you revel in anything negative about TRNC and dismiss anything positive...

Things are not great in the north but they're not half as bad as you think. If things were that bad there would be riots. Many years ago when TCs weren't getting paid properly there was massive riots where the TCs broke into some government building in their hundreds and beat the shit out of a few people in there and voila they got paid . We are not the slaves you think we are, if TCs were that bothered rest assured there would be TROUBLE!!!!

The TCs are HAPPY, they are SAFE and they are WELL LOOKED AFTER...we're MUCH MUCH better off than those from Turkey, we are fine till we reach a solution!!!
On the contrary the TCs would not be happy in the RoC (in it's current state), yet you're still trying to convince us it's the best thing when NOT ONE TC agrees with you! Then you turn around to say things like "there is no one as blind as people who refuse to see..." er HELLO?!?!?!?!?!?

They did a good job on you in the trnc army,didn't they t_c??????

Years ago there were protests in the streets,yes...And the protesters were the supporters of the CTP(Talat's party)...And how did Turkey deal with that threat???? They brought CTP to power and neutralised them...

The only people who will take to the streets now will be the settlers.They are organising as we speak,and will soon take total control over. No one will stop them. No one can stop them.They now have the backing of the AKP and the Erdogan government. Watch out for the name Ahmet Unluer...
He has a bright future in TC politics. When Talat finally realises he is nothing but a puppet,and starts to protest, he will be replaced by a party founded or supposted by Mr Unluer...

I appologise for being the person to bring you the bad news.
If things go the way they are,within 10 years the real TCs will be an irrelevant nuisance in Cyprus...Turkey might even pay them to go and settle anywhere they like.As long as it is in the EU...

Bir you have made your choice and we have no problem with that but you appear to have a problem with ours the majority of TCs will choose Turkey over the "RoC" whats so difficult to understand. That decision was made back in 1974, what you have to understand is that the south have been following policies which do not bring the sides together but quite the opposite pushes us closer to Turkey but what they do not seem to want to see is that we may become more Turkish but they will lose the north forever and have to accept Turks as neighbours and a definate flood into the south once they enter the EU be it 10 20 30 years time, the dangers are on their borders and they are still faffing around trying to stop us having direct flights and friendly football matches, all for the sake of keeping us wanting a solution, well have I got news for them these policies have not worked for 44 years not going to work now, time to see the real dangers and thats not the TCs.