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Do you agree with Pantelis' assertion that pre-April 2003 Green Line restrictions should be re-imposed?

Poll ended at Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:26 pm

Yes
2
15%
No
10
77%
Don't know/Not Sure
1
8%
 
Total votes : 13

Postby magikthrill » Sun Mar 27, 2005 2:35 am

Viewpoint wrote:
But if you are aware that 400.000 GCs have guns in their homes what do you do? and that they could be used by crazed GC seeking vengence, how would you feel??? like going down the pub for a drink with him I dont think so somehow. You would try to avoid him like the plague.


I dont support the idea of civilians be armed but thats a completely different story depending on the constitution of the country.


Here in Northern Cyprus we call people like this fanatics and very dangerous "should be avoided at all costs" .


ANd here in the rest of the free world world we call people like you racist.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:04 am

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ANd here in the rest of the free world world we call people like you racist.


Because of my fear of people with guns, and not wanting to associate with these people Im being called a racist???
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Postby Piratis » Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:26 am

Because of my fear of people with guns, and not wanting to associate with these people Im being called a racist???


Very strange that you have no problem to live among the 40.000 Turkish troops and you are against demilitarization of Cyprus.

Also, you seemed to like guns a lot when you used them against us to kill 6000 people, to force 200.000 people out of their properties and steal their belongings.

Now you seem to just love guns when they are used by the Turkish army to continue the illegal occupation and keep our refugees away from their own homes.

So don't pretend to be a pacifist because the hypocrisy is obvious.
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Postby Saint Jimmy » Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:48 am

Viewpoint wrote:Saint if I knew the answer I wouldnt ask the question.
Dont you have men who complete their national service every year??? or do the finish in bulk every so many years??
We have the answer now supplied by Kifeas which is 400.000 people wise. But we can never guage how many of them think like Piratis, that makes the situation even more alarming for us.

Viewpoint wrote:Because of my fear of people with guns, and not wanting to associate with these people Im being called a racist???

Viewpoint,
you really must get over this gun thing. People have already explained to you that these guns will be handed back when a solution is reached, and that there are ways of ensuring that this will not be just words.
You cannot keep using the gun thing as an excuse for wanting partition instead of a solution, because in case of a solution there won't be any guns, whereas with partition there is nothing to stop our Ministry of Defense Geniuses from keeping them.
Unless, of course, you are trying to find excuses to support partition (the guns, in this case). But if that's what you're after, you really should tell us, so we don't waste time and energy trying to explain.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:41 am

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you really must get over this gun thing. People have already explained to you that these guns will be handed back when a solution is reached, and that there are ways of ensuring that this will not be just words.
You cannot keep using the gun thing as an excuse for wanting partition instead of a solution, because in case of a solution there won't be any guns, whereas with partition there is nothing to stop our Ministry of Defense Geniuses from keeping them.
Unless, of course, you are trying to find excuses to support partition (the guns, in this case). But if that's what you're after, you really should tell us, so we don't waste time and energy trying to explain.


My views on partition are well known on the forum, there are many reasons why I feel at this juncture recognition of an already exisiting partition for land is our only realistic solution,I have stated this on many occassions. All other attempts via 30 years of dead ends and time wasting should finally come to end so that future generations of GCs and TCs do not grow up waiting for this date that date and rounds of negotiations that do not bring this issue to and end. If you enjoy bashing your head against a brick wall please continue on your own and without disturbing us.
With all the abuse we get on this forum eg thieves and belittling attitude why the hell do u want a united cyprus with scum like us, in GCs eyes we appear to be the satans on earth, with one aim in life to steal GCs land human rights political power, money etc etc etc goes on forever.

When I refer back to the gun situation in the south and what it represents, the fact this people I visit and regard as my friends have guns in their homes to use against me "only if war should break out" against me, is very alarming for me and the mentality behind it pushes me further and further away from the desire to live in a united cyprus. You attempt to explain it away as its nothing to worry about we dont want them bur we are forced by law, this maybe the case but this does not make it any less alarming. I hate guns and have never owned one but I am considering keeping arms in my house to protect my family, dont worry I will only use it against you "if theres a war"......is that OK with you????
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Postby Kifeas » Sun Mar 27, 2005 12:16 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
It is estimated to be around 400,000. All males and females from 18-60 y.o. what else would you like to know?

Wow real large number, more than half your population, alarming, do you think we should get guns as well?? only to be used against you if a war should start, like Piratis is predicting, I to want to protect my family.

My friend, you do not need guns your self!
Mama Türka is here to protect you. The guns in our side are here to protect us from Mama Türka and not to kill you. Currently Mama Türka has 40,000 troops sleeping with their boots on and ready to attack us in 5 minutes alert. GC army has only 14,000 troops. If the reserves didn't have their guns at home, it means they will need at least one hour to show up to their units, take arms and ammunition and become ready to fight. By this time (one hour delay,) mama Türka’s Army -together with 500 tanks, will be in Pafos. We do not complain, like you do all the time in this forum, for the 40,000 troops, the 500 tanks, the 100 howitzers and all the various missiles that Mama Türka hides inside Kyrenia Mountains. Why do you complain to us? If you do not like all these guns, go and complain to Madam Türka to reduce her army from Cyprus. However, before you do this, make sure they will not arrest you for undermining Madam Türka’s national interests. Because now there is a law which prohibits anyone in Turkey (and presumably in the north,) to speak against the presence of her troops in Cyprus. It is considered an offence, equivalent to treason, and you may find your self in front of a military court.

Now on our side, these guns are strictly regulated. Before each gun is given to a reserve, it is fired so that the gun’s shooting prints (like fingerprints,) are recorded together with the serial number. If anyone uses one of these guns, then immediately they know from the shell imprints, which gun fired. There are very strict penalties, including imprisonment, for anyone using a gun without authorisation. Did you sense, if and whenever you crossed to the south, that there are any people around, pointing their guns to you? Did you notice anyone holding one such gun and walking around the streets?
To the contrary, whenever I cross north to visit my village, I have to pass outside approximately 15 Turkish military camps, until I reach my village. Did you ever ask me how I feel, whenever I pass outside each one of them and the soldiers, having recognised my car’s plates, look at me like an enemy, although I am in my country and they are the "visitors" in it?

In addition to all the above, my friend Viewpoint, You must know that this military expenditure is currently costing us about one million euros per day. If you consider how much this is per year, you will realise that with all these money we could be building 10 big hospitals or 5 big universities every year. I say this so that you know we are also interested in ending up this story with Mama Türka, so that we can utilise these money in a better and more civilised way. I also say this so that you and many others, stop thinking that the reason GCs didn’t accept the Annan plan was because of economic interests. No one small country with 700,000 people, in their right senses, is interested in wasting such a huge amount of money every year.
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Postby insan » Sun Mar 27, 2005 1:19 pm

Currently Mama Türka has 40,000 troops sleeping with their boots on and ready to attack us in 5 minutes alert.



Mama Türka has never attacked you without a reason. So you should fear about your extremists not to make a mistake such as attacking TCs to make them obbey everything your leadership wants.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Mar 27, 2005 1:20 pm

Kifeas,
The 40.000 troops that Turkey has here is nothing compared with what the have in Turkey.

Their fighter jets can reach Cyprus in 5 minutes, and from Mersina 100s of thousands of more troops can come within hours.

You know that people like Viewpoint are the major hypocrites, so what did you expect a hypocrite to say?

They killed many 1000s GCs, but for them we are the bad ones because we killed some 100s of TCs.

They occupy our land for 30 years, before that we were their slaves under the Ottoman empire for centuries, but for them we are the bad ones because we had conflict with them for 1-2 decades.

They have 40.000 troops in Cyprus, and in Turkey many fighter jets, many missiles, tanks etc ( one of the top 10 armies in the world ), but for them we are the bad ones because we keep rifles(!!!) at home to protect ourselves.

The above are a few examples.

Do we really need to bother with the hypocrisy of all these pretending "Virgin Maries"?
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Postby pantelis » Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:03 pm

“Civilian bodies may win huge electoral victories, but still lack the clout necessary to embark on a serious political reform process to make substantive changes in the existing status quo. Instead, they constantly guard themselves against the possibility of a showdown with the military institution. The democratic reforms requirements for the EU accession provided the AKP with the means to break that stagnant pattern,” Cizre said.

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... ewsid=9276


The above quote describes the situation for the Turks and the TCs. The Turkish army rules........!!!
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Postby insan » Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:10 pm

pantelis wrote:
“Civilian bodies may win huge electoral victories, but still lack the clout necessary to embark on a serious political reform process to make substantive changes in the existing status quo. Instead, they constantly guard themselves against the possibility of a showdown with the military institution. The democratic reforms requirements for the EU accession provided the AKP with the means to break that stagnant pattern,” Cizre said.

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... ewsid=9276


The above quote describes the situation for the Turks and the TCs. The Turkish army rules........!!!



Nevertheless overwhelming majority of Turks, TCs and foreigners think the otherwise. Go reead the most recent, official expert reports of EU, UN and US about Turkey instead of relying yourself on some individual's personal opinions.
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