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Piratis what do you want us to do, we have live somewhere, we cant go back to pre 1974 and we dont want to.
We have to much history and bad blood between us that we cannot trust each other we do not just think of ourselves we dont want anything bad to happen to you guys either. So the only way we can feel safe and live feeling unthreatened is by living as 2 seperate communites side by side. How do you propose we do this if we dont seperate the land?? its time to settle up and calculate who gets what and move on with our lives.
Why do you insist we live together?? is it for land,properity,power money what?? if we agree to give as many GCs back their land as possible wont this be enough??? we will exchange what we have in the south so that we can bring to end this saga.

[uzan]

But there isn't such an active policy these days my friend, that's just a bout of Cypriot 'they must be either talking about us, or plotting against us' paranoia kicking in.

Cannedmoose, if the Cypriot people were united, the Cypriot people is in the core of their policy.

WHO ARE THEY (GC)?????????????????????????????????????????

[insan]

You will stop the outrageous demands only when you realize that in fact you will never gain, but actually lose, from having such unfair demands.

As a consequence of intercommunal violence between two communities and the war of 1974; two major communities of Cyprus were obliged to move where they felt themselves secure. In 1975 all relevant parties agreed that the constitution of new united Cyprus would be restored on a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation.

- All relevant parties agreed the freedom of movement, right to property and settlement in boundaries and parameters of bi-zonal, bi-communal federation. This means only a certain number of refugees would be able to return to their homes. TCs agreed return of GC refugees up to %33 of the permanent TC residents of TCCS.

- In 1977, all relevant parties agreed that the administrative territories of two federal zones would be adjusted according to the land ownership, economic productivity and viability of the land. TCs agreed to return %8 of the occupied land to GC administration. This didn't mean TCs would be the owner of TC administered territory. TCs agreed to return 1/3 of the properties(including their state land share) in %29 to its owners. This means TC owned properties and lands in %29 wouldn't be more than 2/3 of the TC administered terrirtory. What do you want? Only the %3 or %4 of the land was owned by TCs, in North. This means no less than %15 of the land(including their state land share) in South belong to TCs. TC leadership and majority of TCs who left their properties in South and built themselves a new life in North wish to exchange their properties with the ones they occupy in North. They don't want anything free. They are ready to pay the price of anything which does not have the equivelant in South. They also don't want to give the invested GC properties back to its owners for free. We all know that paying the compensation of the properties that invested or have no equivelant for exchange is not an easy task but if it is planned justly, it can be settled satisfactorily for everyone who have the right for compensation.

[turkcyp]

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[Piratis]

Why do you insist we live together??

I don't insist.
What I say is that the whole Cyprus belongs to GCs as much as it belongs to TCs. You can not force people to abandon the land that their ancestors lived for 3500 years.

If you can not live with us, then you are free to leave from Cyprus.
If you live in an apartment block and you don't like your neighbors in that apartment block then the solution is for you to leave, not to demand that all others leave.

We did have our conflicts, but as I hope you realized by now those conflicts can not excuse the occupation and the ethnic cleansing you performed in the north. (otherwise your "TRNC" would be legal)

[uzan]

Why do you insist we live together??

I don't insist.
What I say is that the whole Cyprus belongs to GCs as much as it belongs to TCs. You can not force people to abandon the land that their ancestors lived for 3500 years.

If you can not live with us, then you are free to leave from Cyprus.
If you live in an apartment block and you don't like your neighbors in that apartment block then the solution is for you to leave, not to demand that all others leave.

We did have our conflicts, but as I hope you realized by now those conflicts can not excuse the occupation and the ethnic cleansing you performed in the north. (otherwise your "TRNC" would be legal)

Y You are just like broken tape you go around and say samethink dont you have anythink to say DIFFERNT.

[Piratis]

Kurdistan:
traditional region, an extensive plateau and mountain area inhabited mainly by Kurds, including large parts of what are now eastern Turkey, northern Iraq, and northwestern Iran and smaller parts of northern Syria and Armenia. Of these, only Iran recognizes an area with the name Kordestan.

This is a very neutral description from Btitannica.

There is no equivalent case in Cyprus.

But because GCs equate “right of self-determination” with ““right of secession” you seem to never grasp our point.

I don't need to equate anything. We are not going to play with the words. I am just looking at your demands overall and I am saying that no other similar group in the world even demands such things. (let alone actually having them)

The things you demand violate the human rights, and are undemocratic. Such things you have no right to demand, no matter how you label them.

[Piratis]

Y You are just like broken tape you go around and say samethink dont you have anythink to say DIFFERNT.

Is called consistency to principles.

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Piratis

otherwise your "TRNC" would be legal

only a matter of time my friend, I hope your administration continues with its current policies.

If you live in an apartment block and you don't like your neighbors in that apartment block then the solution is for you to leave, not to demand that all others leave.

Why not build 2 apartments (1974) you live in yours we live in ours, I leave you alone to to do what you want and you leave me alone (recognition). I know you will say the apartment is yours but we did share it, you may have owned more of the flats in the block but when we had to seperate you took mine and I took yours, its the only logical way to divide the 2 blocks of flats otherwise you will also be living in my block as well causing the same problems taking us back to square one 1963-1974. Why run that risk all over again?

[uzan]

Y You are just like broken tape you go around and say samethink dont you have anythink to say DIFFERNT.

Is called consistency to principles.

what princible do you have