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[phoenix]

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Please go away debased Turks!

You've made our lives a misery for long enough.

No more excuses regarding your indecent behaviour.

. . . you are not fit to live amongst us.

[paliometoxo]

espesially that kid the turks raised and lied to telling him he is turkish cypriot when hes not

[CopperLine]

Piratis,
It looks like you get 0% for effort. And you wonder why no progress is made when the standard stereotyped positions are thrashed out again and again and again. Maybe - just maybe - we have been thinking about things in a misleading and confusing way and that we need to make the effort to work things out afresh, from the ground up.

Then again you can continue hitting your head against the brick wall and continue to be puzzled as to why it hurts.

There's a kind of social autism going on here. A basic failure to recognise the world through the eyes of others, the habitual and repeated behaviour regardless of what is going on around you, and the lack of self-realisation which leads to self-harm.

And so it goes on.

[Piratis]

CooperLine, progress will be made when Turks are forced to obey international law and respect our rights since it is obvious they will not do so voluntarily. I am not hitting my head on any brick wall. I see the brick wall (you) and I know there is absolutely no point in discussing with a wall. The only way that wall can come down is if you force it down with some dynamite, not by talking to it.

We have the right on our side and you are acting criminally and illegally. So think whatever you want, just know that nobody, including us, is buying your lame excuses.

Cyprus will sooner or later be liberated from the invading Turks no matter how much you try to resist this.

[humanist]

VP, it is unfirtunae I am not as good as you are with the quoting thing on this forum. Ilike the way you break down the sentences it makes it easier to get ones point across.

About the ideology, its just mine. I would love to see it happen and in a way that everyone feels good about it and embraces it. I wouldn't count on it becomeing a reality, not with our current leaders. But we can all change it by changing our perceptions of each other on individual basis.

I hear what your saying about the numbers ratio. I think we spoke about it before and that is the bature of Cyprus polulation, I cannot see a way out of this. About making a choice to live in the trnc, I appreciate that but as you said you do not wish me to tell you to do something that you don't want, it is exactly what your community is doing to the 180,000 od refugees. I also don't mind that you live in the trnc, all I am saying is allow the refugees to return and continue to live there.

As far as the petitions , yes I agree with you, they are harsh. On this what I can suggest is the leaders sign an agreement that allowing children to dance and other benefits, that the trnc will not seek recognition and that that as isolations are lifted perhaps some refugees can return or Varosha given to its rightful owners with the aim for unifcation and ensuring that equal rights are afforded to all Cypriots.

I am no politician so I cannot respond to the percentage proposal, perhaps it can be a percentage alllowed for all ethnic background Cypriots for example Maronite Cyp's seats and Armenian Cyp, perhaps that would be a fairer spread and representation in the populations. Really my point is that this goes back to the fact that we separate each other, because if we all came from the place I AM CYPRIOT then the is no TC or GC as we are one Cypriot, the minute we get this that is the time for freedom for our country and equality for all, but that is my view.

The GC's are minority in Australia but I still have as many and equal rights as that of an Anglo-saxon Australian.

May be the economies can merge at the first instance and build trust thta way, before the next step. or perhaps each step is put to referendum and see what the people really say.


Well I think that is a mistake, on the part of the RoC government. infact it would have probaly been a more inforal way of unifying, I think perhaps the RoC requires a legal guarantee that the trnc is not to seek independence but work towards the agredd model of BBF.

I donn't know why TC's havent ventured south, they'l sure make a lot more money on the properties. But what I believe it will happen is that young people now attending schools together in ten years they will be figuring out that if they re-claimed their properties in Paphos they will make some real money and will do just that especially as their parents who are noe in the 60's will begin to die off in a decade or so. Do you understand what I am trying to say. Because lets face it VP the violence in Cyprus is nothing compred to thos eof Israel / Lebanon, yeah? WQe have had three four incidence in three years or so. They have thta a minute.

Congratulations to both communities for respecting the other. We too could have had a lot of violence but we don't. That s working together VP that is being equal.

Yes I do appreciate that that some coments are innappropriate and perhaps less welcoming, Mate there is so much hurt on that Island it is not funny, and both people face it and very similarly. Anyway thats me getting emotional now. ignore me pls.

Well thanks for giving the opportunity again to think a little deeper.

Cheers

[pitsilos]

Piratis,
It looks like you get 0% for effort. And you wonder why no progress is made when the standard stereotyped positions are thrashed out again and again and again. Maybe - just maybe - we have been thinking about things in a misleading and confusing way and that we need to make the effort to work things out afresh, from the ground up.

why not suggest an afresh way, from the ground up?...what have you got in mind...lets hear it...

Then again you can continue hitting your head against the brick wall and continue to be puzzled as to why it hurts.

lets wait and hear your afresh way from the ground up before we start making comments

There's a kind of social autism going on here. A basic failure to recognise the world through the eyes of others, the habitual and repeated behaviour regardless of what is going on around you, and the lack of self-realisation which leads to self-harm.

And so it goes on.

and this pretty well describes turkey in the 21st century...an aspiring EU country

[CopperLine]

Pitsilos wrote :

why not suggest an afresh way, from the ground up?...what have you got in mind...lets hear it...

I don't know what the fresh way is. What I do know is that the Piratis way has nothing going for it. Constant repetition of the same old mantra is neither makes the argument truer or more convincing. The flat refusal to resconsider basics is guaranteed to end in failure. The propogation of ignorant and woefully wrong understandings about law and rights is not going to help anyone, it will just contribute to further mystification and false trails.

Piratis' approach reminds me of the man who gets out of his broken down car and kicks the wheels harder and harder in the vain attempt to get the car moving again. He kicks the wheels because he's convinced that it is the wheels that when going round has moved the car before. He must get those wheels moving . ... kick, kick, kick ... 'wheels go round, car moves' he says to himseld over and over again ... kick, kick, kick. Meanwhile the pertol tank which is empty, or the battery which is flat, or distributor which is worn remain unchecked for our man neither knows what these things are, nor what they do, nor cares even less. All he knows is that these are not the turning wheels ... kick, kick, kick.

So Piratis and his ilk are obsessed with the superficial appearance of things. They think that kicking at the surface, long enough, hard enough is all that's required. Correspondingly anyone who doesn't join in with the fruitless kicking is variously labelled a traitor, a criminal or even - god forbid - a Turk.

lets wait and hear your afresh way from the ground up before we start making comments

Pitsilos,
I take that as a genuine invitation. I've not got time to begin to sketch things out here and now, but I will put my mind to it.

and this pretty well describes turkey in the 21st century...an aspiring EU country

I don't agree. Yes, parts of Turkish society fit this description for sure, but by no means all or even most.

[Nikitas]

Copperline,

In your posts it is obvious that there is a mind at work and the content goes beyond- thankfully- the tried and failed formulas. I, too, want to see your perspective on the Cyprus issue. Like most others in here I want to get beyond the impasse, with as little loss as possible on a personal and on a communal basis (communal in totality not just my community).

[CopperLine]

Nikitas,
The sentiment is appreciated and sincerely reciprocated.

[Piratis]

CopperLine, what I say is the truth, and the truth is always the same.

Example: The occupation of Cyprus was illegal in 1974, in 1984, in 1994, in 2004, and it is just as illegal today. The same goes with your illegal "trnc", it is just as illegal today as it was in 1983.

So you can foam and cry and say as much crap as you want, but that will not change the truth.

United
Nations


S/RES/541 (1983)

18 November 1983
RESOLUTION 541 (1983)

Adopted by the Security Council
on 18 November 1983



The Security Council,

Having heard the statement of the Foreign Minister of the Government of the Republic of Cyprus,

Concerned at the declaration by the Turkish Cypriot authorities issued on 15 November 1983 which purports to create an independent state in northern Cyprus,

Considering that this declaration is incompatible with the 1960 Treaty concerning the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus and the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee,

Considering therefore that the attempt to create a "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus", is invalid, and will contribute to a worsening of the situation in Cyprus,

Reaffirming its resolutions 365(1974) and 367(1975),

Aware of the need for a solution of the Cyprus problem, based on the mission of good offices undertaken by the Secretary-General,

Affirming its continuing support for the United Nations Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus,

Taking note of the Secretary-General's statement of 17 November 1983,

1. Deplores the declaration of the Turkish Cypriot authorities of the purported secession of part of the Republic of Cyprus;

2. Considers the declaration referred to above as legally invalid and calls for its withdrawal;

3. Calls for the urgent and effective implementation of its resolutions 365(1974) and 367(1975);

4. Requests the Secretary-General to pursue his mission of good offices in order to achieve the earliest possible progress towards a just and lasting settlement in Cyprus;

5. Calls upon the parties to cooperate fully with the Secretary-General in his mission of good offices;

6. Calls upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus;

7. Calls upon all States not to recognise any Cypriot state other than the Republic of Cyprus;

8. Calls upon all States and the two communities in Cyprus to refrain from any action which might exacerbate the situation;

9. Requests the Secretary-General to keep the Security Council fully informed.

Adopted at the 2500th meeting by 13 votes to 1 against (Pakistan) with 1 abstention (Jordan).

What is legal and what is not in Cyprus is crystal clear and your blah blah can not change the truth.

The reason there is no solution is also clear: Because you want to divide Cyprus and Turkify the north part of it and we do not have the power to enforce legality and protect the sovereignty of our country against the foreign invader.

So if you don't want me to repeat the same thing, then you have to stop acting in the same criminal way and change yourselves. As long as you are acting illegally and criminally, your actions can only be described as criminal and illegal. Your fault, not mine for simply pointing it out.