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[Pyrpolizer]

Thanks to halil and his bayrak quotes, here’s the truth why the 8th July agreement failed.

UBP SECRETARY GENERAL SAYS GC CRISITIZMS NOT SURPRISING


The Secretary General of the main opposition National Unity Party Nazim Cavusoglu has said that 8-july process on which the Greek Cypriot Side insists remaining committed to a process which aims to reduce the Turkish Cypriot people’s rights to state much worse than was envisaged in the UN-sponsored Annan Plan.

And finally the truth!!! Does anyone have any doubts who stalled the 8th July process ? The man says it clearly.It's the Turkish side. Not because it is a time consuming process (as ALL THE EXCUSES SO FAR by the Turkish side suggested so far), but because they think it will drive them away from the so much loved Anan Plan

[Pyrpolizer]

It's not a matter of a time table. It is a matter of first making progress. How can anyone set a logical time limit when he has absolutely no idea how much time he or the other side needs?

I don't pretend to know what Pap or Tat's agenda are, but there are many variations of negotiations with and without timetables. Some international negotiations, by virtue of being open-ended and not constrained by any timetable can mean that negotiators feel able to discuss more freely, to bring into play items which would otherwise be left off and so on. Paradoxically perhaps open ended negotiations can some times speed things up, even technically difficult matters. However the converse has also been the case : tight deadlines may serve to focus the mind where some result, even if partial and incomplete by a certain date is regarded as better than nothing.

I'm not convinced that you can read off some definite agenda or some underhand trick just from who favours a fixed timetable or not. The same applies, I think, to arguments about having technical committees : sometimes a fruitful idea, sometimes an immobilising anchor.

My impression is that the reason that neither a timetabled approach nor a technical approach has resulted in any progress is largely because neither side has any fear of sanction if they don't meet a target. After all, albeit for different reasons and with different calculations in mind, both sides can live still longer with the status quo. Neither side has an imperative to concede anything to the other side, and both sides have good reasons to offer nothing. Meanwhile the refusniks on both sides also have more time to dig in yet deeper. A great shame.

This would be true in a world where LOGIC prevails my friend. Cyprus however is the place of paranoia. All Cypriots (GCs and TCs) loose everyday because of the status quo....

[zan]

Thanks to halil and his bayrak quotes, here’s the truth why the 8th July agreement failed.

UBP SECRETARY GENERAL SAYS GC CRISITIZMS NOT SURPRISING


The Secretary General of the main opposition National Unity Party Nazim Cavusoglu has said that 8-july process on which the Greek Cypriot Side insists remaining committed to a process which aims to reduce the Turkish Cypriot people’s rights to state much worse than was envisaged in the UN-sponsored Annan Plan.

And finally the truth!!! Does anyone have any doubts who stalled the 8th July process ? The man says it clearly.It's the Turkish side. Not because it is a time consuming process (as ALL THE EXCUSES SO FAR by the Turkish side suggested so far), but because they think it will drive them away from the so much loved Anan Plan

Wow! What a scoop....What a revelation...Halil I am surprised that you did not see this as a front page headline.....The GCs want to move away from the Annan Plan and the TCs don't.........I am sure that Kiks can think up a satirical and FAIR headline for you .....

[humanist]

Pyr, I have no doubts that Turkey is stalling the unification process and Talat is just going along with it.

[BirKibrisli]

I have noticed that our glorious leaders have not issued a common declaration at the end of their extremely productive meeting...I would like to offer the following declaration for their consideration (with thanks to Kikapu for the inspiration!)...





"The President Mr Tassos Papadopoulos (aka the Head of GC Administration) and the President Mr Mehmet Ali Talat (aka the Leader of the TCs), would like to pledge their firm and unshakeable committment to think about thinking about introducing some measures sometime in the near or not-so-near future, which might or might not go some small or large way towards building the necessary trust and understanding between their respective communities,and which one day in the unforeseeable future might or might not help to find a just or unjust and peaceful or non-peaceful solution to the Cyprus problem...So help them God!...."




May shall we say God help all Cypriots...

[halil]

Thanks to halil and his bayrak quotes, here’s the truth why the 8th July agreement failed.

UBP SECRETARY GENERAL SAYS GC CRISITIZMS NOT SURPRISING


The Secretary General of the main opposition National Unity Party Nazim Cavusoglu has said that 8-july process on which the Greek Cypriot Side insists remaining committed to a process which aims to reduce the Turkish Cypriot people’s rights to state much worse than was envisaged in the UN-sponsored Annan Plan.

And finally the truth!!! Does anyone have any doubts who stalled the 8th July process ? The man says it clearly.It's the Turkish side. Not because it is a time consuming process (as ALL THE EXCUSES SO FAR by the Turkish side suggested so far), but because they think it will drive them away from the so much loved Anan Plan

Wow! What a scoop....What a revelation...Halil I am surprised that you did not see this as a front page headline.....The GCs want to move away from the Annan Plan and the TCs don't.........I am sure that Kiks can think up a satirical and FAIR headline for you .....

Zan,
UBP always against the Annan Plan . They said NO.
UBP says we must think only TRNC no other solution they except .

[Pyrpolizer]

Here we are talking for the 8 July agreement man, not the Annan Plan. This man says it all.

[humanist]

Garagoz you are absolutely right.