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[phoenix]

Those that call themselves “TC”s should not be beneficiaries to anything that the RoC has strived and worked for, including EU membership.

The “TC”s are the ones that asked to be put in the situation they are in now. Each individual “TC” should have to stand trial for being a traitor to the RoC. Until they have been punished for their transgressions and repent from any contacts with Turkey, they should not be trusted and hence, should have no access to any fruits of the RoC.

Any blame for the current situation can only be borne by the “TC”s. The native Cypriots did not invite the Coup in ‘74 but the cowardly Turks turned against the RoC and INVITED Turkey in. The “TC”s should have been helping the resistance against the coup alongside their (ex) compatriots, and not merely thinking of themselves . They are traitors and they have lost the right to use the label “Cypriot” in any shape or form. They are ONE with the invaders. Hence, they are MERELY Turks.

Apply for your benefits from Turkey.

Fuming
Phoenix

[Nikitas]

Well and good that TCs are getting ID cards and passports. But when I tried to get my wife of 27 years naturalised as a Cypriot I was not even allowed to apply. She and I must reside in Cyprus for 3 years before an application can be made. She is not Greek or Cypriot, but I am. In the circumstances it is not easy not to make comparisons and feel a little pissed off.

Nikitas

[Nikitas]

Phoenix

when i see your posts i am reminded of a line from the old tv show :The Beverley Hillbillies" when the wise old man says referring to young and boisterous Jethro: "I got to have a loooong talk with that boy...."

What you say would hold true in a Federal state like the USA. Over here, in Europe, things get done a little different. In the States they try people for treason, or colluding with a foreign power, like they did to the young boy who fought in Afghanistan. In Europe we have a more "pink" approach and treason is an almost forgotten criminal charge. It would shock EU public opinion if Cyprus were to do that and it would cause us more harm than good.

[phoenix]

Well and good that TCs are getting ID cards and passports. But when I tried to get my wife of 27 years naturalised as a Cypriot I was not even allowed to apply. She and I must reside in Cyprus for 3 years before an application can be made. She is not Greek or Cypriot, but I am. In the circumstances it is not easy not to make comparisons and feel a little pissed off.

Nikitas

Well this is just a simple test of commitment.

Otherwise, anyone who went to Cyprus for a holiday could just ask to be naturalised on a whim.

Is your wife not from an EU member state then?

Pip-pip
Phoenix

[CopperLine]

Those that call themselves “TC”s should not be beneficiaries to anything that the RoC has strived and worked for, including EU membership.

Bit late ! The RoC has always argued that it was the sole legitimate representative of the Cypriot people (TC and GC, and any others) and sovereig over the whole island. The necessary consequence of that claim is, when RoC applied for EU membership, that TCs were included in the 'Cypriot people'.

[phoenix]

Phoenix

when i see your posts i am reminded of a line from the old tv show :The Beverley Hillbillies" when the wise old man says referring to young and boisterous Jethro: "I got to have a loooong talk with that boy...."

What you say would hold true in a Federal state like the USA. Over here, in Europe, things get done a little different. In the States they try people for treason, or colluding with a foreign power, like they did to the young boy who fought in Afghanistan. In Europe we have a more "pink" approach and treason is an almost forgotten criminal charge. It would shock EU public opinion if Cyprus were to do that and it would cause us more harm than good.

So in the EU, we just sweep past crimes under the carpet, and just abandon principles, so that no one gets indigestion in Brussels.?

Fed up
Phoenix

[Nikitas]

No my wife is not EU or Greek or Cypriot. And the fact that we are married for 27 years and have grown children should be enough proof of the validity and genuiness of the marriage. All 27 years together we have been in Greece at the same address.

Now compare that with the Turkish Cypriot who was born in the north in 1975, comes over to the free areas and applies for all his nationality papers and gets them in 48 hours. The comparison is not very favorable and I am pissed for me, not for the TCs.

[Nikitas]

The EU is founded on the European version of human rights, more liberal in principle, more flexible in practice. And in the EU everything seems to be a matter of give and take, more like an eastern bazaar than a western court. See what happens every time a European leader comes out with one of those statements of principle. At the next summit it becomes a matter of haggling "between carpet salesmen". That is why in evry post I warn Cypriots to look out now they are in the EU. I am for the EU but with eyes open and pants zipped and held up tight.

[phoenix]

Those that call themselves “TC”s should not be beneficiaries to anything that the RoC has strived and worked for, including EU membership.

Bit late ! The RoC has always argued that it was the sole legitimate representative of the Cypriot people (TC and GC, and any others) and sovereig over the whole island. The necessary consequence of that claim is, when RoC applied for EU membership, that TCs were included in the 'Cypriot people'.

Yes, but that does not preclude the fact that "TC"s should be tried for treason.

Criminals can still be part of the community and represented by a particular country. By staying within the banner of the RoC (that they betrayed) they are still accessible to answer for their actions.

Demand Justice
Phoenix

[CopperLine]

So, Phoenix, your strategy for coaxing a peace and settlement is to demand that TCs be tried for treason ?

Is it any surprise that TCs express reluctance even fear at what awaits any settlement when you post this kind of threat ?