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[zan]

WTF... Why did you change your alias? I was about to say "Hoi, that ain't your avatar!"

"T_C" is soooo last season, I needed a change!!!!

I am glad that you kept your Avatar though you garagozlu Garagoz

[Get Real!]

WTF... Why did you change your alias? I was about to say "Hoi, that ain't your avatar!"

"T_C" is soooo last season, I needed a change!!!!

You're wacko! But I like it. Here's a matching avatar...

[Pyrpolizer]

@74 London

Imo it would be better if the newspaper just reported what exactly Papadopoulos said rather than writting it in reported speach. Papadopoulos said clearly that Talat only wants the discussions to be face to face and the technical committee people just to record (!!!) the titles of the matters discussed. (do we need technical comittee people for that or a secretary??)

Papadopoulos said ite technical committess haven't moved one inch because the Turkish side does not want to proceed.. He also said foreigners are pushing the Turkish side to move but they don't want to. (obviously the changed their mind for a procedure they themselves signed 14 months ago...)

[Pyrpolizer]

ahhh the typical cypriots. The world is burning and they play with garagozlikia

[T_C]

I don't need a new avatar THANKS (not)

[zan]

any news on the meeting that happened today?

Talat desperately tried once more to side-step from the "8th of July" agreement, in order to "buy" more time and facilitate the Turkish objective of throwing more cement into more GC properties; hoping in this way that we will ever accept the ridiculous property provisions of the Annal plan and gift to them all our properties in the occupied north!

This is the outcome of today's meeting, as far as I understood it!

After signing the 8th july agreement the Turkish side realized there is no way way possible they would ever get something like the Annan plan. So they changed their mind.

Talat made it clear today he wants:

a)either a give and take on the Anan Plan (as if that was something we accepted!!! ) or
b) Face to face discussions that would either
i)collapse with no agreement on anything or
ii)Yield to some more concessions from the GCs with no final solution as it was always happening in the Denktashes years

Papadopoulos stressed he accepts nothing else that the 8 July agreement that will solve the Cyprob on a NEW basis.

Very good guys, but how about this from the Cyprus News Agency which gives Papadopoulos's view rather than your interpretations ...............

The Turkish Cypriot side has sought to bring about changes to a UN-brokered agreement, it endorsed a year ago, demanding the immediate start of talks and restricting the role of the committees, which should be set up in line with the July agreement, Cyprus President Tassos Papadopoulos has said.

Speaking after a three hour long meeting with the leader of the Turkish Cypriot community Mehmet Ali Talat, Papadopoulos also said that Wednesday`s meeting took place in a “constructive spirit”, adding that “contacts through the UN will continue to find a way out of this current difficulty.”

“Mr Talat wanted to introduce changes to the Gambarri agreement, he wanted talks to begin immediately without the committees or to restrict the role of the committees only to a technical level of noting down the titles of issues to be discussed, something which could not have accelerated the process but on the contrary it would have led to an early deadlock,” this is my point b(i) President Papadopoulos said on his return to the Presidential Palace, after his meeting with Talat at the residency of the UN Secretary General’s Special Representative Michael Moller.

Papadopoulos and Talat agreed on July 8 last year, in the presence of senior UN official Imbrahim Gambarri, to set up technical committees and working groups to discuss issues that affect the day to day life of the people and substantive issues of the question of Cyprus. Their top aides, Tasos Tzionis and Rashid Pertev, have held over 50 meetings in the past 14 months to this effect. So far, this has not been achieved.

The July 2006 agreement also provided for periodic meetings between Papadopoulos and Talat to help push the process forward.

“We discussed mainly the July agreement process, since this was the issue at hand. We insisted on its speedy and unconditional implementation because we believe this is a process that can push forward in a positive manner the talks towards a comprehensive settlement of the Cyprus questions on a new basis,” the President pointed out. This is my last paragraph. "We" in first sentense means Papadopoulos + Talat "we" in rest means "we the GC side"

“We believe that through our suggestions we would have shortened considerably the time needed leading to substantive talks and the solution of the Cyprus problem,” he said.

The Greek Cypriot side, he added, insisted a great deal that the committees should prepare the ground seriously and on condition that, as stipulated in the Gambarri process, progress is achieved at the level of the committees, the leaders of the two communities will meet periodically to negotiate the points of dissent which the committees will point out.

The President also said that Talat at today’s meeting raised other issues, not as part of the agenda but during the discussion.[/color]




http://www.cyprus-news.com/?gclid=CN-Mt6uCrY4CFQd3MAodYFX8Rg

For clarifications please see red coloured text above. It's amazing how the media totally destort what was actually said. If i haven't heard Papadopoulos live I would have never imagined.
Besides other commentators concentrated on what he said about NEW plan. Wonder why your quoted report says nothing about it.

I read it like you say in the first place anyway...

[oranos64]

they cant be trusted any day of the week ,never mind wednesdays ....


hahahahahaa

[74LB]

any news on the meeting that happened today?

Talat desperately tried once more to side-step from the "8th of July" agreement, in order to "buy" more time and facilitate the Turkish objective of throwing more cement into more GC properties; hoping in this way that we will ever accept the ridiculous property provisions of the Annal plan and gift to them all our properties in the occupied north!

This is the outcome of today's meeting, as far as I understood it!

After signing the 8th july agreement the Turkish side realized there is no way way possible they would ever get something like the Annan plan. So they changed their mind.

Talat made it clear today he wants:

a)either a give and take on the Anan Plan (as if that was something we accepted!!! ) or
b) Face to face discussions that would either
i)collapse with no agreement on anything or
ii)Yield to some more concessions from the GCs with no final solution as it was always happening in the Denktashes years

Papadopoulos stressed he accepts nothing else that the 8 July agreement that will solve the Cyprob on a NEW basis.

Very good guys, but how about this from the Cyprus News Agency which gives Papadopoulos's view rather than your interpretations ...............

The Turkish Cypriot side has sought to bring about changes to a UN-brokered agreement, it endorsed a year ago, demanding the immediate start of talks and restricting the role of the committees, which should be set up in line with the July agreement, Cyprus President Tassos Papadopoulos has said.

Speaking after a three hour long meeting with the leader of the Turkish Cypriot community Mehmet Ali Talat, Papadopoulos also said that Wednesday`s meeting took place in a “constructive spirit”, adding that “contacts through the UN will continue to find a way out of this current difficulty.”

“Mr Talat wanted to introduce changes to the Gambarri agreement, he wanted talks to begin immediately without the committees or to restrict the role of the committees only to a technical level of noting down the titles of issues to be discussed, something which could not have accelerated the process but on the contrary it would have led to an early deadlock,” this is my point b(i) President Papadopoulos said on his return to the Presidential Palace, after his meeting with Talat at the residency of the UN Secretary General’s Special Representative Michael Moller.

Papadopoulos and Talat agreed on July 8 last year, in the presence of senior UN official Imbrahim Gambarri, to set up technical committees and working groups to discuss issues that affect the day to day life of the people and substantive issues of the question of Cyprus. Their top aides, Tasos Tzionis and Rashid Pertev, have held over 50 meetings in the past 14 months to this effect. So far, this has not been achieved.

The July 2006 agreement also provided for periodic meetings between Papadopoulos and Talat to help push the process forward.

“We discussed mainly the July agreement process, since this was the issue at hand. We insisted on its speedy and unconditional implementation because we believe this is a process that can push forward in a positive manner the talks towards a comprehensive settlement of the Cyprus questions on a new basis,” the President pointed out. This is my last paragraph. "We" in first sentense means Papadopoulos + Talat "we" in rest means "we the GC side"

“We believe that through our suggestions we would have shortened considerably the time needed leading to substantive talks and the solution of the Cyprus problem,” he said.

The Greek Cypriot side, he added, insisted a great deal that the committees should prepare the ground seriously and on condition that, as stipulated in the Gambarri process, progress is achieved at the level of the committees, the leaders of the two communities will meet periodically to negotiate the points of dissent which the committees will point out.

The President also said that Talat at today’s meeting raised other issues, not as part of the agenda but during the discussion.[/color]




http://www.cyprus-news.com/?gclid=CN-Mt6uCrY4CFQd3MAodYFX8Rg

For clarifications please see red coloured text above. It's amazing how the media totally destort what was actually said. If i haven't heard Papadopoulos live I would have never imagined.
Besides other commentators concentrated on what he said about NEW plan. Wonder why your quoted report says nothing about it.

Oh well, looks like another opportunity missed - none of the reports I have seen/read give any hope for positive progress. Just come across this one on the web via :

http://www.enews.ma/cyprus-rivals-make_i67819_1.html

which says :

Cyprus rivals make little headway in rare talks
NICOSIA (AFP) - Rival Greek- and Turkish-Cypriot leaders held a rare face-to-face meeting on Wednesday, but in three and a half hours of talks they failed to make headway on ending the island's 33-year division.
Neither Cyprus President Tassos Papadopoulos nor Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat took reporters' questions after the meeting on neutral ground in the UN-patrolled buffer zone.

Looking stiff and uncomfortable, the two leaders also failed to pose together for photographers ahead of the meeting as they have before talks in the past.

It was left to the meeting's host, UN mission chief Michael Moeller, to read out a brief and carefully worded statement.

He praised the "constructive atmosphere" of the meeting but announced no breakthrough, not even a date for new talks.

The two leaders "agreed to continue their contacts through the United Nations and to meet again when appropriate," he said.

They also "agreed on the need for the earliest start for the process" and "discussed other issues leading to a comprehensive settlement."

Moeller did not spell out what process he was referring to -- the substantive reunification talks demanded by the Turkish Cypriots or the twin-track talks on substantive and day-to-day issues agreed by the two leaders at their last meeting on July 8, 2006.

On his return to the presidential palace, Papadopolous told reporters that he had failed to reach agreement with Talat on the issue.

"Mr Talat wanted a variation from the July 8 agreement," the president said.

"He wants talks to continue immediately without the committees, or for the role of the committees to be limited to a purely technical level of listing the headings to be discussed."

The Greek Cypriot leader said any shortcircuiting of the preliminary preparatory process would "not speed up the process but lead us quickly to the realisation that we have reached deadlock."

Ahead of the meeting, Talat had warned that with opinion hardening among Turkish Cypriots since Greek Cypriots overwhelmingly rejected a UN reunification plan three years ago, it was vital to make swifter headway in the substantive talks.

"The division is deepening," said the Turkish Cypriot leader, who led his own community to support the 2004 reunification plan by a wide margin.

"There are opinion polls which indicate that the majority of Turkish Cypriots are in favour of the two-state solution: permanent partition," he told Britain's Daily Telegraph last month.

Former colonial power Britain, which retains two large sovereign military base areas on the island, has also expressed mounting frustration with the pace of reunification efforts.

"We very much hope that those talks will be entered into with real openness and determination on both sides," British Foreign Secretary David Miliband said in Ankara ahead of Wednesday's meeting.

The Greek Cypriot vote in the 2004 referendum meant that Cyprus joined the European Union later that year still a divided island.

EU law does not extend to the breakaway north of the island, which is recognized only by Ankara, meaning that Turkish Cypriots are denied the full benefits of the island's membership of the bloc.

Cyprus has been divided along ethnic lines since 1974 when Turkish troops invaded its northern third following a Greek Cypriot coup aimed at uniting the island with Greece.



The two leaders don't even seem to agree on what to talk about - maybe they should be pointed in the direction of this forum for a few pointers

Does anyone know if minutes are taken for these meetings, and if so, are they ever made public ? It really would be eye-opening to find out what they discuss for 3 hours+ and come up with nothing

[Pyrpolizer]

@74 LondonBoy,

Today my friend even company Managers carry portable recorders for recording what they said at their meetings.(You can hear "end of tape" at almost every meeting today )I have no doubt they record what they've said but they will never make it available to their "peasants".
They like their citizens to stay in the dark...

I cannot say for sure whose fault is it, I mean they have not even agreed to start the negotiation for god sake...
If Talat really thinks the 8th July process is time consuming, why doesn't he show good will in starting it and proving it as such?

[Nikitas]

Secret diplomacy wins again! Thank you Pyro for pointing it out, I was beginning to think that I was paranoid about this issue. These cryptic statements after meetings are worthless in the 21st century. We need open meetings, to hear exactly how our leaders negotiate and what their primary goals are during negotiations.