Cyprus-Forum.com

[cannedmoose]

According to a reasonably reliable publication on European Defence matters, there are 1,250 Greek mainland forces in Cyprus.

http://www.european-defence.co.uk/direc ... yprus.html

The numbers argument is irrelevant anyway. Everyone is aware that Cyprus would be indefensible from a mythical Turkish assault. Its proximity to major Turkish bases, the quality and hardware gap between RoC and Turkish forces (most importantly the lack of modern air defence systems - shoulder launched missiles and anti-aircraft guns just wouldn't do the job), and the distance from mainland Greece preclude any successful defence of the island.

How on earth did we get from street names to this?

[Othellos]

Oh please, don't call health care, jobs, IDs as gestures. These are the minimum Papadopoulos could do in order to keep claiming that the RoC represents TCs. Let's say, for example, TCs weren't allowed to get ID cards and work in the south. How could Papadopoulos keep claiming that the RoC represents TCs? He couldn't...so don't tell me that these are gestures, these are small prices paid for something big in return (deceive the world that the RoC represents TCs)

Hmm...if these are the minimum then what is the maximum in your opinion, metecyp (just wondering)?

Realistically speaking, many TCs are benefitting from these measures (employment in the free areas, RoC/EU documents, free healthcare etc) which btw are not new. Personally I am in favour of all these since I happen to believe that the TC community has also suffered a great deal in the last 40 years. While I do not expect or want from the TCs to express any gratitude for free health care etc, I do expect from those who make use of such measures to acknowledge the fact without moaning about it.

O.

[insan]

http://www.westernpolicy.org/Conference ... tation.asp

This one is from February 2004.

The numbers argument is irrelevant anyway.

I agree with you cannedmoose. The essential of issue is gradual demilitarization of Cyprus not only withdrawal of Turkish troops.

[metecyp]

Hmm...if these are the minimum then what is the maximum in your opinion, metecyp (just wondering)?

If T-Pap really cared about TCs and if he truly believed in the RoC, then the first thing he would do is to encourage TCs fill their positions in the RoC. He would also asked one TC to fill the RoC seat in the EU (I think there're 3 seats reserved for the RoC). I'm sure he could have found 1 TC to fill this seat if he really wanted TCs to be represented. TC political representation is crucial for the RoC, not free healthcare or ID cards. But you don't ever hear anyone discuss this in the south (and the north).

While I do not expect or want from the TCs to express any gratitude for free health care etc, I do expect from those who make use of such measures to acknowledge the fact without moaning about it.

Ok, I do acknowledge it. Many TCs use the RoC passports to travel freely in Europe and many TCs get good healthcare for free in the south. These are good things but they don't affect the real issue. T-Pap claims that the RoC represents TCs but he doesn't do anything to make it really represent TCs, instead he throws the bare minimum in order to make the EU believe that TCs are represented. This is the real issue.

[-mikkie2-]

If T-Pap really cared about TCs and if he truly believed in the RoC, then the first thing he would do is to encourage TCs fill their positions in the RoC.

Papadopoulos would love you to take your places in the RoC. However we would also like our homes back.

In any case, your TC leadership voted a few months ago to not acknowledge the existance of the RoC so any offer by us for you to rejoin will simply not be accepted!

[cannedmoose]

I agree with you cannedmoose. The essential of issue is gradual demilitarization of Cyprus not only withdrawal of Turkish troops.

Amen Insan. It's my personal belief that a fully demilitarised island is ultimately the best solution. Then, should a third party choose to intervene in the future for their own ends, it would be seen as aggression pure and simple. Just look upon it as the Icelandisation of Cyprus, just without the hot springs ... Cyprus has the good looking women and SUV culture already so we're half way there.

[MicAtCyp]

Cannedmose I am not anti-British or anything in fact I happen to respect the British people "as people" despite the fact that I hate their eternal and hostile political attitude towards us.

Well I tried my best to help you question yourself whether your assertation that "is not because you are British" might be false. And that the truth might be "it is exactly because you are British". Whether I ve been helpful or not, needs no public announcements. Keep it for yourself.

PS.I did not miss the insinuations of the phrase "the monument lacks dignity".

[insan]

Keep try to erase your guilt. You can simply put forward your opinions about him. There's no need for labeling us brain - washed about him.

Guilt? ? ? What are you talking about? Isn’t it a fact that my message was crystal clear and you failed to read it carefully? Should I feel guilty for your fault? !

Yeah right you are not brainwashed about Ataturk.
Tell me Insan is it a fact or is it not, that every single book you yourself was given at school (from grade one to the very last grade) had a huge picture of Ataturk on it's very first page?
Isn't it a fact that each and everyone of those books had the story of his life in, and that the first thing he did was to "secure the country from it's enemies"?
Isn’t it a fact that each and every book they gave you, had some questions somewhere in the middle to make sure you understood your lesson about Ataturk?

I'm 36 y.o and I've read so many books and articles about him from all points of view; including the anti-Ataturk cycles and bigots. No matter how huge or small were the pictures on their pages. You are free to think whatever you want about Ataturk but you are not free to label us brain-washed about him. Keep your insulting predictions about us for yourself. This type of behaviours only damage our friendship and even cause to end it.

Isn't it a fact that you reacted nerdily to just hints that Ataturk besides being a great reformer was also a butcher? If that is not an indication of a brainwashed person about him, then what is it

When did I do this? Give me the link or quote it.

[brother]

All nations need someone to be proud of even if other nations percieved them as blood thirsty maniacs.

The british have their winston churchill, the greeks have alexander the great, the turks have ataturk etc.

We should all try to respect each others beliefs and show some tolerance about sensitive issues like this imo.

[insan]

All nations need someone to be proud of even if other nations percieved them as blood thirsty maniacs.

The british have their winston churchill, the greeks have alexander the great, the turks have ataturk etc.

We should all try to respect each others beliefs and show some tolerance about sensitive issues like this imo.

I agree with you bro but the issue is not who thinks what about those proudworthy men. The issue is MicAtCyp's nerdily behaviours and insulting predictions about TCs that we are all brain-washed about him. I didn't commented anything about his views concerning Ataturk. He is free to think whatever he wants to think about him; respect or disrespect but he has not the right to nerdily insult TCs that we are all brain-washed about him.