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[MR-from-NG]

Yeah...and the Turks who worship their army are angels.

While you continute to hold ransom what belongs to us - you will always have a threat of violance.

So MrFromNG, are you one of those tough Turks who shouts his mouth off and hides behind his army?

OK tough guy. Yes I'm one of those Turks, in fact I have a whole battalion outside my office in Southgate standing guard as I write this post.

[Pyrpolizer]

Supposing Turkeys "intervention" was legal, and since it failed to establish the state of affairs let's have a new legal "intervention" by Greece and see what happens. Do you think Turkey would cooperate in taking "joint action"?

[zan]

Huh!

[Pyrpolizer]

You didn't understand it did you Zan? Yeah admitedly it was too much for you.

Well let me spell it to you:The same way Turkey discovered a legal excuse to start an "intervention", the very same legal excuse exists TODAY for Greece to start a new "intervention".

And supposely the two should cooperate (militarily) to restore the state of affairs!

[zan]

You didn't understand it did you Zan? Yeah admitedly it was too much for you.

Well let me spell it to you:The same way Turkey discovered a legal excuse to start an "intervention", the very same legal excuse exists TODAY for Greece to start a new "intervention".

And supposely the two should cooperate (militarily) to restore the state of affairs!

No it does not because the Zurich agreement does not exist any more....Nannanana

[Pyrpolizer]

Ta,ta, ta ta. The great zany has spoken.

[zan]

Ta,ta, ta ta. The great zany has spoken.

Sure have little lady.....And glad to see that you are listening...

[Get Real!]

So, when I was a young lad and men with guns were advancing towards our village and killing anybody who stood in their way were what? Turks? Maltese, perhaps Martians?

Village name and date please and I'll check that thank you.

[74LB]

We have had this discussion in this forum about 100 times in the past! Based on the UN Charter, the pinnacle of international law and the only international treaty that has the status of ruling over any other international agreement, the Turkish invasion was illegal!

Turkey did not have the right to invade Cyprus, more so prior to the issue of the Junta coup against Makarios being discuss buy the UN SC, and prior to the UN SC issuing of a resolution calling for any set of measures or intervention against the coupists and the Greek Junta!

Article 103 of the UN Charter rules the provision for "unilateral intervention" of the "1960 treaty of guarantee," inapplicable and ineffective, since it contradicts with the provisions of the UN Charter, the highest level of international treaty and the pinnacle of international law!

The Turkish invasion, set aside the occupation, the ethnic cleansing and the property looting of the GCs, was illegal, full stop! If Turkey had the guts, it would have accepted a judgment by the international court of Hague, when Cyprus had invited her in numerous occasions to do so!

Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974, was in violation of the UN Charter and consequently of international law, full stop!

Whatever excuse you put forward we TCs will always thank Turkey for taking action when they did as it was our lives at risk, this is something you will never understand.

Thank you Turkey.

VP - we have said this many times but for some reason it just isn't getting across.

Kifeas - so Turkey should have waited for the UN to have its meetings and conclude its ok to go in before anyone intervenes ?

Didn't Makarios in his speech on the 19th July more or less beg for the international community to act ?

I know his speech is posted somehere on this forum, but the following from a Hellenic website surely sums up the desperation at the time.........

The relations between the Greek Junta and the Makarios administration severed by 1974. The military operation on 15th July 1974 by the Greek Junta and its Greek Cypriot collaborators, which overthrew Makarios, was the last straw of events on the island. Many AKEL supporters together with others who were known as anti-Junta and against ENOSIS were killed or harassed. Soon after his overthrow from the presidency, Makarios fled from the island and in his speech to UN Security Council (19 July 1974, Security Council Official Records, S/PV.1780) declared that Greece invaded Cyprus. Here are some parts from that speech:

"The coup is clearly an invasion from outside, in flagrant violation of the independence and sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus. The so-called coup was the work of the Greek officers staffing and commanding the National Guard."
"Without trace of respect for the democratic rights of the Cypriot people, without respect for the independence and sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus, the Greek junta has extended its dictatorship to Cyprus."
"The coup was an invasion."
"The coup caused much bloodshed and took a great toll of human lives."
"...the events in Cyprus do not constitute an internal matter of the Greeks of Cyprus. The Turks of Cyprus are also affected. The coup of the Greek junta is an invasion, and from its consequences the whole people of Cyprus suffers, both Greek and Turks."

http://groups.msn.com/TheHellenicCommunity/yourwebpage10.msnw

Interestingly, this website also says the split of land ownership between GC & TC was 70/30, but that has been argued to death in other threads.

[MR-from-NG]

So, when I was a young lad and men with guns were advancing towards our village and killing anybody who stood in their way were what? Turks? Maltese, perhaps Martians?

Village name and date please and I'll check that thank you.

Trust you GR,

Whats the matter don't you trust me? Cross my heart swear to tell the truth. I was 10 year and nine months at the time. The attack was at Ortakoy 63 late December. Our house was one of a few 2 storey houses. Our bedroom was on the top floor. My brother and I would be looking out the window with bullets flying by, every 4th bullet was a tracer and they glowed at night. It was all very exciting for us, like a game.

I remember just before we evacuated Ortakoy and ran off to Gonyeli the attacking Greeks with machine guns were clearly visible amongst the olive trees around the han that Dr Kucuks father owned, we referred to it as Kucugun Hani. As a kid it was not a big deal for us but the faces of our mothers, grandparents and other village elders said it all.