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[Kifeas]

I am not playing Devil’s advocate with this, because I know how deep the wounds are from the betrayal by the Greek Junta, and maybe various aspects of this point have been covered before, but I just need a little tweaking before I fully embrace the fancy that Cyprus can eliminate Turkish influence entirely alone.

The Synergy Between the Greeks and Cypriots.

. . Cypriot civilization was progressing with a formidable vibrancy in the millennia BEFORE the Ancient Greeks even set foot on Cyprus.

But this serendipitous find by the Greeks, was doubtless, also of monumental significance to the Native Cypriots.
The landmark injection of Greek cultures (Mycenaean, Achaean, Macedonian, Hellenistic, Byzantine) into Cyprus caused a powerful synergistic effect that has made the sum of the whole, magnitudes greater than the mere sum of the two separate parts. This powerful amalgamation helped shake off countless invaders .

We are today, however, still in the midst of the most recent invasion. Turkey’s honed skill of divide-and-rule, is perfectly suited to the rapid dissemination systems available today. It is my perceived notion, that Turkish propaganda’s task is to turn what was once our strength, into a weakness, by erosion of PART of our identity.

Cyprus is not another Greek island. Established fact .

But let’s not go to the other extreme and become apologists for our inextricable linkage with the Greek bloodline.

Otherwise, Cyprus may just become, another Turkish island.

well said... no way will that happen we will get rid of the turks eventually

You can not get rid of them but you can keep them separate,saving what remained

Okay Epsilon, point is taken! You want partition! Problem for you is, there is no credible political movement in Cyprus that adopts your line of thinking! Anything else you want to add?

[Filitsa]

Not apologizing to anyone, but there is a limit to what a person can hear, and things like "we could not defend Cyprus, it is too far" after years of "we will take Cyprus" and the constant refrain that it was not Greece that betrayed Cyprus but the Junta, sort of rub me against the grain.

The statement "we will take Cyprus" was spoken in my presence by a senior official, when I asked him "you will take it from whom and give it to who?" he called me a mongrel saracen. He could not conceive of a Greek community living outside the Greek borders and doing well. And that has been the problem all along, the Athens centered state cannot see that Hellenism is not just the people you have inside the borders.

Synergy starts with the prefix syn, meaning equal work by equal parties, and in the Greek scheme of things Cyprus was never considered equal. When it is then we talk synergy.

Bravo!

The "mongrel saracen" mentality has migrated with Greeks over generations in time. My grandfather was not-so-affectionately called (my apologies to Turkish Cypriots) "paleo Turko-Kypreos" when visiting the Greek coffee houses of Lowell, Massachusetts. That was in the 1920's. Eighty plus years later, I have a woman from Mytilini telling me, "Cyprus can never be Greek while Turks live in it." Hoo ya!

[phoenix]

Not apologizing to anyone, but there is a limit to what a person can hear, and things like "we could not defend Cyprus, it is too far" after years of "we will take Cyprus" and the constant refrain that it was not Greece that betrayed Cyprus but the Junta, sort of rub me against the grain.

The statement "we will take Cyprus" was spoken in my presence by a senior official, when I asked him "you will take it from whom and give it to who?" he called me a mongrel saracen. He could not conceive of a Greek community living outside the Greek borders and doing well. And that has been the problem all along, the Athens centered state cannot see that Hellenism is not just the people you have inside the borders.

Synergy starts with the prefix syn, meaning equal work by equal parties, and in the Greek scheme of things Cyprus was never considered equal. When it is then we talk synergy.

Bravo!

The "mongrel saracen" mentality has migrated with Greeks over generations in time. My grandfather was not-so-affectionately called (my apologies to Turkish Cypriots) "paleo Turko-Kypreos" when visiting the Greek coffee houses of Lowell, Massachusetts. That was in the 1920's. Eighty plus years later, I have a woman from Mytilini telling me, "Cyprus can never be Greek while Turks live in it." Hoo ya!

Thank you both for the anectodes and coffee house gossip!

But is there any real evidence that having seen off so many aggressors whilst under the Hellenic inluence, we can now rest assured we can restore Cyprus from the present invaders, single-handedly.

I am prepared to go with it, but I still need some convincing.

Pip-pip
Phoenix

[EPSILON]

I am not playing Devil’s advocate with this, because I know how deep the wounds are from the betrayal by the Greek Junta, and maybe various aspects of this point have been covered before, but I just need a little tweaking before I fully embrace the fancy that Cyprus can eliminate Turkish influence entirely alone.

The Synergy Between the Greeks and Cypriots.

. . Cypriot civilization was progressing with a formidable vibrancy in the millennia BEFORE the Ancient Greeks even set foot on Cyprus.

But this serendipitous find by the Greeks, was doubtless, also of monumental significance to the Native Cypriots.
The landmark injection of Greek cultures (Mycenaean, Achaean, Macedonian, Hellenistic, Byzantine) into Cyprus caused a powerful synergistic effect that has made the sum of the whole, magnitudes greater than the mere sum of the two separate parts. This powerful amalgamation helped shake off countless invaders .

We are today, however, still in the midst of the most recent invasion. Turkey’s honed skill of divide-and-rule, is perfectly suited to the rapid dissemination systems available today. It is my perceived notion, that Turkish propaganda’s task is to turn what was once our strength, into a weakness, by erosion of PART of our identity.

Cyprus is not another Greek island. Established fact .

But let’s not go to the other extreme and become apologists for our inextricable linkage with the Greek bloodline.

Otherwise, Cyprus may just become, another Turkish island.

well said... no way will that happen we will get rid of the turks eventually

You can not get rid of them but you can keep them separate,saving what remained

Okay Epsilon, point is taken! You want partition! Problem for you is, there is no credible political movement in Cyprus that adopts your line of thinking! Anything else you want to add?

I still believe that this is the best solution under the circustances- I know how many people in Cyprus even afraid to pronouce such a word "partition" since immidiatetly are considered to be Junta supporters and fanatics however the facts are facts and the situation we are facing do not allow us to have other plans which can keep us on as a society.
In the next referendum lets include this solution also to see what actually the Gcs want even to see Turkish side's will

[Nikitas]

My der Kifef,

Today I perceive a sense of relief in Greece because we have made it to the EU and there we can seek solidarity with our EU partners, Greece no longer solely responsible for our future. It is an even weaker form of the previous doctrine "Cyprus decides and Greece stands in solidarity". I am not alone in this perception, Mehmet Ali Birad commented as much in a recent interview aired on Greek TV. I thought of it first though! So today we are just an unwanted reminder of burdensome duty. I hope my perception is wrong.

The situation before this current state, in the days when Union was a policy, iwas understood more in terms of a conquest than a union between equals. Looking back over those years you will not come across any talk of the benefits that the Cypriot way of doing things might bring to the resulting state which was always presumed to be Greece, not a new entity. We were meant to be swallowed up as an additional district of Greece, end of story.

When Union did not work it was easy to shrug off responsibility with the excuse that Cyprus was just too far. Nothing ventured nothing gained, nothing lost really.

The problem is that today Cyprus is alone in a long term struggle against an adversary of disproportionate strength, resources, alliances and interests. That is the problem from my end. The one I want to see solved fast.

[oranos64]

I am not playing Devil’s advocate with this, because I know how deep the wounds are from the betrayal by the Greek Junta, and maybe various aspects of this point have been covered before, but I just need a little tweaking before I fully embrace the fancy that Cyprus can eliminate Turkish influence entirely alone.

The Synergy Between the Greeks and Cypriots.

. . Cypriot civilization was progressing with a formidable vibrancy in the millennia BEFORE the Ancient Greeks even set foot on Cyprus.

But this serendipitous find by the Greeks, was doubtless, also of monumental significance to the Native Cypriots.
The landmark injection of Greek cultures (Mycenaean, Achaean, Macedonian, Hellenistic, Byzantine) into Cyprus caused a powerful synergistic effect that has made the sum of the whole, magnitudes greater than the mere sum of the two separate parts. This powerful amalgamation helped shake off countless invaders .

We are today, however, still in the midst of the most recent invasion. Turkey’s honed skill of divide-and-rule, is perfectly suited to the rapid dissemination systems available today. It is my perceived notion, that Turkish propaganda’s task is to turn what was once our strength, into a weakness, by erosion of PART of our identity.

Cyprus is not another Greek island. Established fact .

But let’s not go to the other extreme and become apologists for our inextricable linkage with the Greek bloodline.

Otherwise, Cyprus may just become, another Turkish island.

could not have said it better ....well said ...knew we had a similar belief i bow to you ...

[oranos64]

you know he is right bro ..come on ...delete this

[Get Real!]

Or by some miracle we wake up one day and realise we are actually a Cypriot island, where ethnic Greeks, Turks and others can live free of mainlander bullshit. And then we kick out bums who alter our history and promote division and indulge in crappy games like altering village names and other such petty shit.

We will then manage to exploit our strategic position for our own selfish aims. As opposed to everyone else's "noble aims" and we will make a pile of money on top.

Now that would be internal synergy? Intercommunal interfacing? Cypriot bambesia, you pick the name.

Excellent post Nikitas... you're gradually earning your way into the "A" team!

Here's the name you've been looking for... CYPRIOT NATIONALISM!

[Nikitas]

Get Real,

Cypriot Nationalist, in action, which iperhaps s why i was called a "mongrel saracen", and many other things along the way. And note that I have consistently denied the existence of a distinct Cypriot ethnicity, yet I fully embrace Cypriot nationality.

[Get Real!]

Get Real,

Cypriot Nationalist, in action, which iperhaps s why i was called a "mongrel saracen", and many other things along the way. And note that I have consistently denied the existence of a distinct Cypriot ethnicity, yet I fully embrace Cypriot nationality.

Hmm, after a second look I've noticed "ethnic Greeks", "Turks", etc but no mention of Cypriots and then this post! Perhaps you should clarify your stance better...