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[Othellos]

Othellos I see where you are trying to drag the issue which has been argued in many other threads, go and vent your views there.

It is not my fault if you maintain double standards on issues like racism, discrimination and human rights.

O.

[erolz]

It is not my fault if you maintain double standards on issues like racism, discrimination and human rights.

O.

And the apparent 'primacy' and importance on issues like human rights (though strictly defined to ensure GC rights whilst denying TC communites rights) racism and discrimination today vs their apparent disregard to them prior to 74 should not be considered 'double standards'?

[Othellos]

And the apparent 'primacy' and importance on issues like human rights (though strictly defined to ensure GC rights whilst denying TC communites rights) racism and discrimination today vs their apparent disregard to them prior to 74 should not be considered 'double standards'?

Even if blaming the GCs for every bit of suffering that TCs went through before 1974 was historically fair and accurate (which is not), depriving someone's rights in year 2005 based on his ethnic background and because of what happened 3, 4 or 5 decades ago is irrational. If this is how you think then what is the point in discussing ..."reunification"?

Maybe what you are interested at is not a solution that can work and make Cyprus a better home for all its people, but a way to punish permanently a portion of the island's GCs for revenge(?). Again, to me revenge and punishment make no sense if the goal is ..."reunification".

Other than that, it is good to see that you are also interested in the Eurovision song contest

O.

[erolz]

Even if blaming the GCs for every bit of suffering that TCs went through before 1974 was historically fair and accurate (which is not), depriving someone's rights in year 2005 based on his ethnic background and because of what happened 3, 4 or 5 decades ago is irrational. If this is how you think then what is the point in discussing ..."reunification"?

I was merely demostrating that "maintain(ing) double standards on issues like racism, discrimination and human rights" is not something that is the preserve of TC. It is common to us all at various points and in various ways.

Maybe what you are interested at is not a solution that can work and make Cyprus a better home for all its people, but a way to punish permanently a portion of the island's GCs for revenge(?). Again, to me revenge and punishment make no sense if the goal is ..."reunification".

As elsewhere it is most certainly not about revnge or punishment (for me at least) - it is the continuation of a stuggle of the TC community in Cyprus that started in 63 if not earlier. To me it is a struggle, in terms of principal and ideolgoly that is not that different from the GC struggle against the British - it's just our struggle continues to this day. If you feel oppressed it really is little confort that your percieved oppressors are from the same country as you or another one.

Other than that, it is good to see that you are also interested in the Eurovision song contest

O.

I care about third rate europop contest even less than I care about what the street names are in Cyprus.

[MicAtCyp]

As elsewhere it is most certainly not about revnge or punishment (for me at least) - it is the continuation of a stuggle of the TC community in Cyprus that started in 63 if not earlier. To me it is a struggle, in terms of principal and ideolgoly that is not that different from the GC struggle against the British - it's just our struggle continues to this day.

You are overstreching the duration of chronology Erol. No your struggle did not last from the 60s until today! Your "struggle" ended as perfectly successful in 1974, when each one of you could chose between 2-3 houses 5-6 refrigerators 2-3 cars, 40-60 donums of land take the best ones, move to better ones, keep that luxury one for a high ranking police officer invite settlers to take some etc etc. Your struggle started having problems when the refrigerators would not work anymore, the houses got old, the free loot started been useless and the settlers got all your jobs. It paramounted when the gates opened and you saw with your own eyes what legality and hard work can do Vs living on the loot and on free presents from Turkey.

Sorry but for 30 years your only struggle was... (whats the polite word damn it). The ones who are actually struggling from the 50s until today is us. Do you have any idea how our life was from 1974 upto 1985, did you read some books at least?

Anyway depending on the kind of his "struggle" everyone gets the appropriate returns.
What is the struggle of your community right now Erol? To share what we achieved while you were eating, drinking, and dancing?

[-mikkie2-]

Sorry but for 30 years your only struggle was... (whats the polite word damn it).

Their struggle is a sham! They are struggling to keep their ill gotten gains.

[metecyp]

Their struggle is a sham! They are struggling to keep their ill gotten gains.

You guys are getting more and more vicious everyday. Listen to this my friend. My grandfather lost his shop full of merchandize near Ledra Street in 1963. He also also 2 flats in south Nicosia. My uncle tried to find the flats after the borders opened but guess what the "legal" RoC did? They demolished the flats in 1980s!

Between 20th of July and 14th August 1974, my mum's village was occupied by GC militas from nearby villages. My mum and her mother in law had to spend weeks in the mountains with 5-6 kids, hiding during the day in the caves and walking at night with hardly any food or water. They walked to the nearby village on foot through the mountains. That's how they saved their lives, ok?

During the same time, my grandfather was kept captive for weeks in a small classroom. He wasn't even allowed to go to the bathroom to piss and one night, he escaped by jumping off a cliff with machine guns shooting behind him.

Now, you come here and tell me that our struggle is nothing but a sham!?

[Othellos]

I was merely demostrating that "maintain(ing) double standards on issues like racism, discrimination and human rights" is not something that is the preserve of TC. It is common to us all at various points and in various ways.

Does this mean Erolz that you agree with Viewpoint's ...views about the Eurovision song contest being an example of a "GC racist attitude"?

As elsewhere it is most certainly not about revnge or punishment (for me at least) - it is the continuation of a stuggle of the TC community in Cyprus that started in 63 if not earlier. To me it is a struggle, in terms of principal and ideolgoly that is not that different from the GC struggle against the British - it's just our struggle continues to this day. If you feel oppressed it really is little confort that your percieved oppressors are from the same country as you or another one.

For some, the word "struggle" may carry noble connotations but this is not always the case. It seems to me that the TC "struggle" that you refer to and that continues to date, is about legalizing the partition and ethnic cleansing performed in Cyprus by Turkey and there is certainly nothing "noble" about that. While you do your best to invent all kinds of excuses to justify a state of apartheit and racial discrimination in the event of a future solution, I cannot help but wonder if there is a point in discussing...."reunification" with those who think along the same lines with you?

O.

[-mikkie2-]

Metecyp,

It is a sham when your leadership is trying to legalise the effects of the TUrkish invasion and occupation.

You guys suffered, but we have suffered a hell of a lot too. I think Othello sums it up in his above post!

[cannedmoose]

Their struggle is a sham! They are struggling to keep their ill gotten gains.

It never ceases to amaze me how vicious some of these responses are Metecyp. Although for admitting that, no doubt some smart alec will pop up and accuse me of being a neo-colonialist Brit who loves all Turks and hates Greeks... if it happens, I've already got my counter argument typed out folks

Sure it's an emotive issue, but some of the people on here demonstrate a completely close-minded attitude when it comes to the other side (and that counts for both TC and GC contributors). It all boils down to lack of respect, we're here as individuals... not as representatives of our politicians , about time some folks got that into their heads.

As for your family history Metecyp, I'm sure you'll get the standard response of 'my family was more persecuted than yours'. It's about time some people realised that pain is on both sides.