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[cannedmoose]

Does it matter if the song is sung in Greek or Turkish? It now seems that the songs are mainly sung in English!

Who cares anyway? Its an irrelevant competition. In the UK it is derided!

The only reason anyone watches it in the UK is for the predictably partisan voting e.g. Cyprus awards Greece 12, Greece awards Cyprus 12 etc. and for the mighty Terry Wogan, who gets drunk half way through his commentary and just ends up laughing and making cutting remarks through the rest.

I personally find it has lost its flavour since English was allowed as the lingua franca. I prefer to hear contestants sing in their native language, preferably with a song that reflects the rhythm's and instruments of their home country. For example, Cyprus' song last year (sung by a girl who lived just down the road from where I grew up in England) bore no relation to indigenous Cypriot music and bored me to tears... come on, lets have some bouzouki plinky plink music, with wild dancing in the background this time.

[Viewpoint]

Its not the Eurovision but the platform itself and the opportunity for our 2 communities to participate together, that is the important element here. You seem to have taken the subject and just dismissed it because you dont really want to deal with th real issue of discrimination in the ho so democratic international law and human rights abiding south.
Does the fact that a Turkish Cypriot singer has never in 50 years represented this island reveal anything to people on this forum (and no its no that we dont have good singers we do) The mentality is so obvious and very racist in my opinion. This GC guy who has been nomainated this year has been in the competition on 2 previous occassions, this will his third attempt, will the south keep sending him until he gets he wins, one thing is guaranteed he get 12 points from Greece.
Even this simple issue cannot be used to encourage unity between our communities how do we expect to really provide utopian measures to resolve things, like joint ports, airports, schools etc etc we can even sing together.

[magikthrill]

one thing is guaranteed he get 12 points from Greece.

another thing is also guaranteed: a big symbolic middle finger from Turkey in the form of 1 point.

[Viewpoint]

Look on the positive side is was a 100% more than you got the previous years, if its any consolation I voted for Cyprus

[Othellos]

Its not the Eurovision but the platform itself and the opportunity for our 2 communities to participate together, that is the important element here. You seem to have taken the subject and just dismissed it because you dont really want to deal with th real issue of discrimination in the ho so democratic international law and human rights abiding south.

Since you brought up the issue, are you aware of the many different ways in which the human rights of thousands of GCs have been (or are being) violated by the Turks in Cyprus? Before delivering another "lesson" on discrimination, human rights and racism based on what you think about a meaningless song contest in which Cyprus has been participating in the last 25 years or so, I suggest that you and others look at these sad realities as well as how the real injustice, racism and discrimination can be terminated. Unfortunately, for the moment what we see here is people coming up with excuses about how in the event of a future solution, the freedoms and rights of many indigenous Cypriots should be permanently restricted on an ethnic background basis.

O.

[insan]

I suggest that you and others look at these sad realities as well as how the real injustice, racism and discrimination can be terminated.

real vs unreal

[insan]

Plus, excuses vs democrasy and the human rights

[Othellos]

Plus, excuses vs democrasy and the human rights

As a Greek proverb says: "Dyilizomen ton konopa kai katapinnoume ton kamilon". In other words, we preoccupy ourselves with little details of small importance and we close our eyes about the big and important issues. Ignoring the ongoing violation of the basic human rights of thousands of Cypriots by Turkey while trying to come up with a "thesis" about how "racist" the mentality of the CyBC (responsible for the Cypriot entry in the Eurovision song contest) may be is in my opinion an example of this hypocritical, ostrich-like behaviour.

O.

[insan]

As a Greek proverb says: "Dyilizomen ton konopa kai katapinnoume ton kamilon". In other words, we preoccupy ourselves with little details of small importance and we close our eyes about the big and important issues. Ignoring the ongoing violation of the basic human rights of thousands of Cypriots by Turkey while trying to come up with a "thesis" about how "racist" the mentality of the CyBC (responsible for the Cypriot entry in the Eurovision song contest) may be is in my opinion an example of this hypocritical, ostrich-like behaviour.

I agree with you but I don't think viewpoint had such an intention. I believe that majority of TCs are well aware of all human right violations and de-facto situations which are consequences of the last 40 years. They are aware of limitations of communication and cooperation in these de-facto situations. However people should be free to talk about whatever he/she wants to talk about. The issue might be a detail or part of the main issue. If someone wants to take attention of others on to the "main" issue; he/she should start a new topic and ask them to share their views about it. Nevertheless, still everyone does not have to share their opinions/discuss anything they don't want or they have not adequate knowledge.

[Viewpoint]

Othellos

Since you brought up the issue, are you aware of the many different ways in which the human rights of thousands of GCs have been (or are being) violated by the Turks in Cyprus? Before delivering another "lesson" on discrimination, human rights and racism based on what you think about a meaningless song contest in which Cyprus has been participating in the last 25 years or so, I suggest that you and others look at these sad realities as well as how the real injustice, racism and discrimination can be terminated. Unfortunately, for the moment what we see here is people coming up with excuses about how in the event of a future solution, the freedoms and rights of many indigenous Cypriots should be permanently restricted on an ethnic background basis.

Othellos, practice what you preach, then I will start to clearly see that the south a truely what you make out it is.
The issue was promoting harmony via music between our communities no more no less, if Cyprus has competed on 25 occassions can you confirm how many "Cypriots" have competed with a different ethnic backround to yours?? 20 Greek Cypriots 4 Turkish Cypriots 1 Maronite??? dont think so some how. Its like the pathetic voting between Greece and Cyprus, Europe boos hisses and laughs at you yet you are oblivous to this and continue on a blinkered course which confirms what im trying to say here in this thread.
Wouldnt it be fantastic if everyone agreed for a change that maybe one year we can send a joint effort, this year being the 50th was a very good opportunity missed.